73 thoughts on “Open Thread: What’s Our Message?

  1. Michael,

    I showed this thread to my wife, and without hesitation she answered, “I have a quiet time.”

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    In the peace of Christ,

    – Bryan

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  2. Our current liturgical guide lists 12 prayers that may be prayed by the priest after Holy Communion. Of them. One of them is a prayer to Mary asking for her intercession. A second one is a “magnification” of Blessed Mary and is not a prayer.

    The Orthodox do not have May as a “Mary” month. To the liturgically inclined, let me point out that the liturgical year compresses tons of history into just one year, so it can sometimes make you wonder why a particular feast is celebrated in a particular place. But in brief:

    Lent-Holy Week-Pascha (Easter)-Pentecost — is its own cycle based on the first moon after the equinox (see the Old Testament)

    Christmas – 25 December
    The Annunciation – 25 March (9 months before His birth, makes sense, right?)
    The Birth of John the Baptist – 24 June (6 months before His birth, check what Archangel Gabriel said to the Virgin Mary)
    Nativity of the Theotokos – 8 September
    Dormition of the Theotokos – 15 August (her birth is celebrated in September and her death is celebrated 12 months later)

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  3. MuleChewingBriars, that is a very good question, and one which inspired a poem by Gerard Manley Hopkins, “May Magnificat”:

    MAY is MaryÒ€ℒs month, and I
    Muse at that and wonder why:
    Her feasts follow reason,
    Dated due to season Ò€”

    Candlemas, Lady Day;
    But the Lady Month, May,
    Why fasten that upon her,
    With a feasting in her honour?

    Is it only its being brighter
    Than the most are must delight her?
    Is it opportunest
    And flowers finds soonest?

    The rest of it is here:

    http://www.bartleby.com/122/18.html

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  4. MuleChewingBriars:
    We Latins also celebrate the Assumption of Our Lady on August 15th, and I’ve heard of some traditional Marian devotions falling in the 30 days after that feast, although I’ve never known it myself.

    But I think May is more popular because of its connection with the season of Spring and Mary’s connection with new life, the Incarnation. So the reason seems to be natural, not liturgical. Among the Greeks, May was connected with Artemis, the goddess of fecundity, and for the Romans, May was dedicated to Flora, the goddess of blooms. It is fitting that these mere shadows should be replaced by the true flower of new life, the lilium inter spinas, the virgin Mother of God. As a hymn says, O felix fecundata!

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  5. There are beautiful Eastern Marian prayers.

    I’m a little perplexed by the Catholic denomination of May as the month of Mary. We Orthodox celebrate the Dormition of the Most Holy Theotokos (Mother of God) the first two weeks of August, during which we fast and hold the services of the Paraklesis to the Most Holy Mother of God:

    http://www.orthodoxchristian.info/pages/mikropar.htm

    I have come to look forward to those weeks of August as “Lady Days”. The priest is vested in blue and white (the colors of the Most Holy Mother of God, and, before her, of the Shekinah).

    It is good to see Mary-friendly Protestants.

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  6. I looked up the Anglican Rosary. It looks like there are prayers that are said on each bead, but there are no mysteries. Is that correct?

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  7. Dave138,
    In regards to your comments about the final prayer of the rosary, the “Hail, Holy Queen” aka “Salve Regina”: this is in the pattern of the many Catholic prayers. After praying to God, we often end with a final plea for Mary’s help and prayers, before going to bed or about our day. The rosary, for all its Ave Maria’s, is not considered to be a Marian prayer: it is Christ-centered with a Marian character, as John Paul II put it in his letter Rosarium Virginis Mariae.

    The final antiphon is a bit like asking Mary to “watch our back” with prayer while we aren’t praying ourselves. That’s why we ask for prayers “in the hour of our death” and “to bring us to Jesus after this exile”.

    The Office of Compline, the last one of the day, ends with one of four Marian antiphons, the Alma Redemptoris Mater, the Ave Regina, the Regina Caeli Laetare and the Salve Regina, depending on the season. In this post-Easter season, we sing the Salve Regina.

    It is also customary for Dominicans (and Franciscans too, I think) to chant the Salve Regina while a brother is dying, around his deathbed. Again, there is a sense that Mary can pray for us when we cannot ourselves.

    I also think there are very similar Marian final prayers in the Eastern Church, the post-eucharistic “Panagia”, I believe it is called. Perhaps Fr.Ernesto can fill us in?

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  8. I’d probably be better off praying, but I’m stuck in the blogosphere. πŸ™‚

    Actually, I find prayer to be one of the hardest things for me. I too easily get distracted, whether I’m praying impromptu, following a book of hours or BCP, or praying the rosary. It’s really a frustrating thing, though I’m sure I just need a little “practice” at it, learning how to control my thoughts. I find myself most often praying that I’d be able to pray. There is the prayerful woman that I wish to be, and there is the wishful woman that I am.

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  9. Todd Erickson,

    Here is another free (Catholic) Daily Office resource, also from the UK:

    http://www.universalis.com

    Also available in a “pray as you go” version for Windows Mobile devices (ca $50) and the iPhone ($33), for a lot less money than the printed version.

    Very useful.

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  10. Just ordered an Anglican Rosarie today. I’ve looked at the prayers for both the Catholic and the Anglican, and A. the Anglican is not so weird on Mary (There was a church we saw in Orlando this past week, the Shrine of Mary, Queen of the Universe. Um?) and B. much more flexible between prayers of thanksgiving, etc.

    I need, at some point, to go invest in the library it would take to figure out the offices, because I that they would be neat to invest in as well. Difficult from a Nazarene Background.

    I have messed with the centering prayers that Brennan Manning talks about, but i’m so type B that scheduling them is non-existent.

    Also very much enjoyed the book “Enjoying the presence of God”, which has interesting things to say about prayer.

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  11. I often sin … I pray for mercy and forgiveness

    Cause God is gracious … I pray ‘thank you Jesus’

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  12. I put on my long flowing robe, find a busy street corner and recite, at the top of my lungs, Matthew 6:1-14 over and over again. I can even say it backwards.

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  13. Does it count that I started praying it before I knew it was “The Jesus Prayer”?

    Hmmmm. Since I began the practice of “breath prayers” through reading Bro. Lawrence, probably not. Oh well.

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  14. I would say I pray the Jesus Prayer, but that’s probably not very evangelical of me. Sigh. I do have a tab open and saved to +Alan’s site with his rendition of Orthodox prayer beads trying to decide if I should purchase one.

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  15. I pray with PURPOSE (40 days that is)
    I pray when I pass a cop car
    I pray without ceasing [except during breaks]
    I pray in my sleep
    I prayed for my wife… to bad you didn’t
    I’m praying for you right now
    I fast between meals

    Now I’m just getting silly.

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  16. I struggled with this. “Jesus loves me” means he might not love you. “I love Jesus” is smugly self-righteous. Every variation I come up with seems to stay on one track or the other. My gospel is Jesus. Maybe he doesn’t fit on a t-shirt. But the video is definitely a spine-chiller.

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  17. Talk about late for the party..I was RC 40 yrs ago, and NOW they’re T-shirted and cool; sheesh, I coulda waited…who knew ? Bishop O’Hara HS looked NOTHING like that in the 70’s. sigh… πŸ™‚

    Greg R

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  18. I really dig the one I got from Alan. I vaguely remember getting this idea from iMonk, but in a rather protestant fashion I usually use it to pray for 10 people I really care about before going to bed. God’s been suggesting I also pray for 10 people who piss me off, but I’m having troubles honestly doing that.

    I really dig the brevity and simplcity of that one-decade design, though πŸ™‚

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  19. Sorry for so many posts, but now for my honest thoughts:

    I had honestly never read through the entire rosary before today. Although I must say that I am a little uncomfortable with the part that comes immediately after the Rosary, the part which begins, “Hail, Holy Queen…,” I find the various “mysteries” absolutely beautiful. I am shamed by how little I think of such things, and I see how there could be an immense benefit to reflecting on them on a daily basis. I remember Dallas Willard, in a talk, once mentioning that he had been involved with traditions where people’s Bibles would be worn out at the books of Romans and Galatians, while the Gospels hardly touched. Maybe that’s hyperbole, but I can honestly see it. In Evangelicalism, how much are the actual teachings and life of Jesus addressed as compared to justification and the finer points of atonement theory (active obedience or just passive obedience, argh!)? Imonk, I know that you are working against this trend with your Jesus Shaped Spirituality, and I thank you. I am also thankful to folks like N.T. Wright for trying to expand the vision of the Gospel, but I sometimes wonder if he’s not desperately trying to patch a sinking ship.

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  20. I pray that I have adopted the precisely correct systematic theology, through which runs the narrow gate of salvation. I pray that I am elect and God is not simply toying with my reprobate soul.

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  21. My first reaction was that the Mormons are going to have to try harder if they want to keep up in terms of well produced advertisements.

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  22. I pray for the stregnth to be a better father, husband, and a better follow of Christ. And for forgiveness for being lower than the dirt.

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  23. If we were truly evangelicals, the answer to ‘what’s our message’ would be easy, it would be the evangel, the gospel. Not something we do, but something that Christ did: that Jesus died on the cross to pay the penalty for all who would turn to Him in faith.

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  24. I pray the evangelical video will have as many good-looking people in it as this video does…

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  25. Fr.Ernesto: very nice post; sometimes I assume that all repetition is meaningless babble. Need to grow out of that, I liked the image of a well worn stone. They make jewelry out of such, and things of value. Again, well said.

    Greg R

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  26. I pray in tongues. I pray to the Holy Spirit.

    Sometimes I use ‘soaking’ music to help me pray.
    Sometimes I pray over the Bible.

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  27. Shaw McBride may be onto something. He just won the lottery, yet he wants to give his millions away, spurred on by the Grace of God and a message of love.

    He says, “What can I buy with money besides things that I don’t need.” This is beautiful.

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  28. My message can only be spoken using the Angelic Tongue:

    Ubba ubba ubba! Homina homina homina! Obama ugga aboobika Antichrist homina! Amen.

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  29. I pray the Orthodox version of the Rosary. In passing, shhh, we have had +Alan make some prayer beads for us. Gasp, that means that +Alan has been ecumenically minded.

    The theology of prayer will change depending on who is praying. But, the comfort of a prayer that is well-remembered, that is said from memory, that is like a well-worn bead sliding through the fingers, that is like an old familiar friend bringing you back to God, now that is priceless. It need not be the rosary. It can be one of the Psalms or some other prayer. But, it slips through the mind like a breath of spring air renewing our spiritual senses and reminding us that a new day is here and that a new day shall come someday.

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  30. Its ironic how the subtitles were all about dispelling the myths of the Rosary and then the film ended “all about Mary” which is the main Protestant issue with the Rosary.

    I do have my Anglican beads, (thanks to the iMonk) and it can be helpful in my prayers to the Father and the Son.

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  31. I pray morning prayer, Lutheran vespers and Cistercian compline. Daily lectio and centering. The daily reading of the Holy rule of St. Benedict. Currently I am doing a daily reading on the Sacred Heart of Jesus by the Carthusian Order and a weekly read in Foster’s Devotional Classics.

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  32. As the video said, May is the month of Mary (and links up with October, the month of the Holy Rosary._

    June is the month of the Sacred Heart of Jesus.

    July – just coming up! – is the month of the Precious Blood.

    Surely you guys can do something with “Saved by the blood!” or “Pleading the blood!” or “Washed in the blood of the Lamb!” that’ll knock the socks of all who behold it and show us Papists what’s what (since we’ll have to wait until November, the month of the Holy Souls, to start up with the bad theology again) πŸ™‚

    I would love, seriously, to see an Evangelical/Reformed notion along these lines on the Precious Blood, just to be edified and instructed.

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  33. I barely know what a pop-up ad on YouTube is man. Hey, I’m shamelessly slidin’ in here and promoting myself ain’t I? πŸ™‚ Oh, and I do make the puportedly theologically superior Anglican rosar… prayer beads as well. Just in case anybody wondered. I’m all ecumenicable like ‘at.

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  34. “better theology” – nice. Depends on what kind of theology you put into a rosary I reckon. Of course, mine don’t have a built-in theological requirement. Just get one and pray with it in some way that’s helpful to you.

    Oh, and skip the t-shirt and walkin’ around drawing attention to yourself and how you pray the rosary or whatever – gee whiz people.

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  35. I pray: “Jesus, help me to love.”

    (I liked that video, Michael, and at the end, I saw there were other things to click to see other videos. There were some very nice things in those too! Check out the one titled “Rosary Stars.” I have to admit that, although I am Catholic and I know how to pray the rosary, I don’t do it. Growing up, my family didn’t focus on the Rosary. My grandma prayed it silently every night as she went to sleep though. I did have a friend whose mom converted to Catholicism and the entire family said the Rosary together every day. I don’t remember the kids liking to do that and I don’t know if any of them are practicing Catholics today. I am thinking not.)

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  36. I’m Presbyterian, Born again, Bible believing, Jesus follower, and….I pray the rosary, the Liturgy of the Hours, litanies. It has transformed my life. Jesus is always in my concience, lurking back there when I’m doing my work. Always there to give me the strength to do what he wants me to do. I feel alone…yes. Protestants just don’t understand. This is a gift from God that is so easy. I can reflect on the entire life of Christ from birth to death, whether I’m driving my car or locked up without my Bible in a prison cell. My rosary constantly leads me to reflect on that which cannot be eliminated from my heart and brain. JESUS…..

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  37. I pray to the Father, through Jesus Christ the Son, empowered by the Holy Spirit.

    Or more simply put…

    I talk to God.

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  38. I pray the rosary, I pray the Psalms, I pray the Diary of Private Prayer, I pray in tongues, I pray quietly without words, I pray while walking, I pray crying, I pray in song, I pray halting, disjointed prayers, I pray in desperation, I pray in joy. I pray in when my faith is strong. I pray when my faith is weak. I don’t have a version.

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  39. I pray jabez

    I watch Joel

    I pray for money and cars

    or better

    I pray for Muslims

    I pray for whole Muslim nations

    I pray for unreached peoples

    or

    I use Alan Creech rosaries

    or

    I pray the Anglican Rosary. (Same God, Better Theology.)

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