Jesus- Yes; Church- No? Maybe.

sjTherefore, a slogan that was popular some years back: “Jesus yes, Church no”, is totally inconceivable with the intention of Christ. This individualistically chosen Jesus is an imaginary Jesus. We cannot have Jesus without the reality he created and in which he communicates himself. Between the Son of God-made-flesh and his Church there is a profound, unbreakable and mysterious continuity by which Christ is present today in his people. He is always contemporary with us, he is always contemporary with the Church, built on the foundation of the Apostles and alive in the succession of the Apostles. And his very presence in the community, in which he himself is always with us, is the reason for our joy.

Agree?

Anyone remember a religious leader talking about the “heresy” of individual salvation lately? You might be surprised how difficult it can be to continue to affirm that Jesus is saving sinners as individuals, not dispensing salvation to a group through a church.

Agree that when an individual “chooses” Jesus and not the church it’s an “imaginary” Jesus? Agree that Christ’s way of being present in the world is the church? There’s plenty for this collective-resisting Protestant to talk about, but I’m mostly interested in the papal swing at the well-known fat pitch “Jesus, Yes; the Church, No.”

“Jesus, Yes; the Church, No” has been around for a long time. It makes a good sign. Sounds good as a cheer.Continue reading “Jesus- Yes; Church- No? Maybe.”

The Evangelical Liturgy 9: Singing.

06Y25054For beginners, read the Introduction to this series, then visit the categories menu and hit “Evangelical Liturgy” for all previous entries. In a sentence, I’m walking through all the parts of the traditional Protestant worship service and discussing the value of recovering our own liturgical tradition.

Singing. Oh yes….singing. I love to sing. I learned to sing before I was a Christian, first at school and then at church. I miss singing more than I can say. Our students don’t sing. Most of the adults I work with don’t sing much. I loved choirs and hymn-sings as a young Christian. It’s one of the worst things about the evangelical wilderness. Nothing is as wonderful to me as singing in church.

Congregational singing. One of evangelicalism’s great legacies, thanks to Isaac Watts, the Wesleys and some great music in the midst of the not-so-great flood of music out of revivalism, the Jesus movement, CCM, etc.

Not somebody or a group singing to the audience….uh…congregation, but congregational singing. Worship by singing. Proclamation by singing.

First, off, let’s be clear. Singing is mentioned in Paul’s instructions about worship in a descriptive way and in a prescriptive way, so it’s part of worship. Second, that doesn’t mean from that point on, we can do whatever we want because it’s mentioned in the Bible.

Music is dominating most evangelical worship these days and I, for one, am ready to have less of it in most instances. There’s a serious need for regulation and moderation of music in an atmosphere where many “churches” are becoming more like entertainment venues than any previous conception of worship.Continue reading “The Evangelical Liturgy 9: Singing.”

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Convenient: If you can’t make every session, we have multiple ways for you to make it up, both online or on-site. We have done everything we can to combine convenience with serious studies.Continue reading “NOW Is The Time To Enroll In The Theology Program”

Guest Review: Denise Spencer on Living the Lord’s Prayer by Albert Hasse, O.F.M.

3529Visit Denise’s blog where this review first appeared.

When I first began this book I was rather dubious. What did this author have to say about such a tried-and-true topic that hadn’t already been said a hundred times? My reluctance was unfounded, however, and I’m happy to report that I enjoyed the book immensely.

Father Haase seasons his prose with stories from his own and others’ experiences to illustrate his points. Each chapter ends with “Reflection Questions” and “Gospel Passages for Meditation and Prayer.” This makes Living the Lord’s Prayer a book that could easily be featured in a study group as well as read by individuals.Continue reading “Guest Review: Denise Spencer on Living the Lord’s Prayer by Albert Hasse, O.F.M.”

The Evangelical Liturgy 8: The Public Reading of Scripture

Scripture reading cropFor beginners, read the Introduction to this series, then visit the categories menu and hit “Evangelical Liturgy” for all previous entries. In a sentence, I’m walking through all the parts of the traditional Protestant worship service and discussing the value of recovering our own liturgical tradition.

In March 07, I wrote “The Strange Case of the Missing Scripture Lessons.” It is a good companion to this topic.

In most liturgical worship services, somewhere between 10-15 minutes of the worship service is taken up in the public reading of scripture. In the most common traditions, the lectionary texts for the day are read or sung responsively and/or by readers. This may include a Psalm of the day, an Old Testament lesson, a New Testament lesson and a reading from the Gospels, which is often the basis of the sermon. Scripture sentences may punctuate other portions of worship and it isn’t unknown for the sermon to occasionally make use of a different text than any of the lessons.

In many evangelical churches, particularly those of a more contemporary flavor, public reading of the Bible is avoided. Scripture will be scattered across a few song lyrics and inserted as point prompts or proof texts in the sermon. There will be no scripture lessons, no reading of scripture outside of the use of scripture in some function of the service and no sense that extended scripture reading is a high and worthy use of time in worship.

Ironically, it will be the liturgical church and its scripture saturated service that will be called “liberal” by the Bible-waving, but not Bible reading evangelical church. Declarations of confidence in the Bible as the inerrant Word of God will dwell in puzzling juxtaposition with worship services where the most scripture encountered is in popcorned bits projected between film clips and other visuals.Continue reading “The Evangelical Liturgy 8: The Public Reading of Scripture”

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Open Mic at the iMonk Cafe: Anyone Willing To Complain About the ESV?

openmic1UPDATE II: McKnight on Translation Tribalism.

UPDATE: Why the LCMS choose the ESV. I doubt that it was the Piper endorsement.

I have this nagging feeling that the English Standard Version isn’t as good a translation as I’ve previously thought.

My experience with the NLT has me in major regrets that I’ve got my students using the ESV, that there isn’t a cheap textbook version of the NLT, etc.

I’m using the NLT in preaching most of the time, but when I read the ESV for personal study, sermon preps, classes, etc…..something just isn’t right. I’m wondering if I’ve been “marketed.” That is, I’ve bought the impressive ESV marketing version of itself, but the translation isn’t living up to its own press.

Is it really clunky….and awkward? Do people really have problems reading it? Is it stylistically difficult? Does it do all of the things it accuses other translations of NOT doing? Is it just not up to its own press clippings?Continue reading “Open Mic at the iMonk Cafe: Anyone Willing To Complain About the ESV?”

The Evangelical Liturgy-Example 2: FBC Edmonton, Alberta

Another good example of Evangelical/Protestant liturgy. This from the First Baptist Church, Edmonton, Alberta.

This one is a very complete example of the kind of Protestant liturgy I have in mind as we work through these components.Continue reading “The Evangelical Liturgy-Example 2: FBC Edmonton, Alberta”

Internet Monk Radio Podcast #155

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The Evangelical/Protestant Liturgy: Example 1

ordA reader has sent along an order of service from a shared worship gathering of two Protestant churches, and you can see many of the elements we are discussing.

I’d love to see other orders of service from the Protestant/evangelical side illustrating all or parts of the evangelical liturgy, especially if you are a Baptist or other evangelical using moderate amounts of formal liturgy in your worship.

You can see the entire list of components at the introduction post in this series.

I did not attempt to reformat this, so it’s a bit clunky, doesn’t have boldface, etc. Continue reading “The Evangelical/Protestant Liturgy: Example 1”