Internet Monk Radio Podcast 153

podcast_logo.gifThis week: Cunsumer sins. Pastoral Care. Puritans. A Crisis of Grace and the Gospel

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Two Ages Verging
Mere Musings
Jared Wilson on Acts 29
J.I. Packer’s Puritan Course

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With all due respect….

jesustoastUPDATE: Piper “clarifies” his tornado comments by referring to his bout with prostate cancer. The message of every event is repentance: “That is the message of every calamity (Luke 13:1-5). And every sunny day (Romans 2:4).” It seems to me we are simply not going to get past the issue of how we can say, as God’s word, that a specific event has a specific, divinely connected, design that I can speak to you: THIS happened so that you would do THIS. As opposed to THIS happened, you SHOULD do THIS, but I can’t say the two things are connected causally. Cause of tornado = message or Cause of tornado = weather systems/ Application of tornado in Christian worldview = repent, etc.

An event has an application, and God has a Word, but making the various aspects of weather in a particular place a clear word from God is raising a human pastoral application up to the level where all the problems we’ve discussed become real problems for many people. Such connections will cause many to stumble in their faith as they wonder “what was God’s Word to me in taking my child? Why did he have to speak that way instead of another way?” Piper clearly, WILL answer that question for suffering people out of his high views of God ordering all that comes to pass. Many other Christians will not. It’s the difference between a pastor saying, “in the tornado, I see a lesson” and saying “in the tornado, God is saying to you.” There’s a significance difference between these two expressions. I, and many others, frequently call to mind the lessons of providence, but they are the connections we see, not the connections God has made absolute. “The tornado caused me to think about God” and “God sent the tornado to Minneapolis so I would think about God” are simply two pastorally different statements. I’d suggest that what I can say about my house fire (or Piper can say about his cancer) and what I can say about Minneapolis’s tornado are two very different things on the level of using my interpretation of events as God’s Word.

In my conception of pastoral care, there are things you can think and believe, and then there are things you say at particular times. In the neo-natal ICU, when a child is about to die, people are making these connections: God is punishing them, God isn’t there, God is wanting something from them, etc. I believe pastoral care doesn’t tell people why that tornado is in the ICU. It humbly clarifies what we know about God from Jesus and the Gospel. I’m not going to say “this happened for the glory of God” THEN. I’m going to lament THEN. I’m going to take the time to see death for the enemy that it is, not say this is God. I’m going to Romans 8:28, etc LATER. If your first word to those parents is God’s sovereign ordering of all things so they will repent, I don’t think you’ve spoken a false word, but in the context, you’ve spoken a word that makes it more difficult to trust God. Jesus wept even when he’d said Lazurus’s death was for the glory of God. Some believe the highest expression of God’s sovereignty in the midst of tornadoes is the best pastoral and evangelistic word at that moment. It’s a legitimate disagreement, and no one should be embarrassed for having it. Continue reading “With all due respect….”

Open Mic At The iMonk Cafe: The Falwell/Robertson Room Has A New Act

radiomicUPDATE: Greg Boyd on Piper’s tornado. BTW, my commendations on excellent behavior by all in the comment thread.

UPDATE: From long, but right on point: The Islamization of Christianty by Udo Middleman.

UPDATE: Some of my own thoughts on the ’04 Tsunami. Also, Halden Doerge: Why John Piper is Dangerous. I first caught the attention of the Reformation Police when I blogged about Paul Proctor’s announcement that God killed emerging pastor Kyle Lake. This was repeated by some bloggers that would surprise you.

UPDATE: Baptist Press takes a break from vilifying Piper’s association with Mark Driscoll to reprint his tornado theology.

Jerry Falwell said that 9-11 was God’s judgment on gays, feminists, abortionists and other sinners. (He later apologized.)

Pat Robertson has repeatedly told us that hurricanes are God’s judgments on the east coast.

More than a few preachers have said that Hurricane Katrina was God’s judgment on New Orleans. Which is apparently why it almost destroyed New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary and left the French Quarter in place.

John Piper has chimed in before on what was going on when the Interstate bridge in Minneapolis collapsed.

Now Piper has written that a tornado in Minneapolis was a warning to liberal Lutherans about to vote on issues related to gay clergy. Here’s Pastor Piper’s original post.

When I was 13, I fell off my bicycle and busted a tooth. I won’t tell you what I was doing back in those days, but I got the message.

After you read 1 Kings 19:9-13 and David Sessions at Patrol Magazine, you can comment.

The open mic question of the day: How would you characterize this kind of comment? A bit excessive, but harmless? Arrogantly outside the lines of what any Christian ought to say in the aftermath of a serious or tragic event? Confused, but sincere? Proof that Job’s friends (“I know why it happened! I know!! Call on me!! I know!!) and not Job’s repentance (Job 42:1-6 “I’m shutting up”) are really the model for theology in the reformed camp?

The Evangelical Liturgy 4: The Congregation

CongregationI’ve been thinking about this post quite a bit, and for the life of me I really can’t think of much to say than some of the obvious.

The evangelical worship service is the worship of the people of God. God acts, speaks invites and offers. God’s people respond in worship, service, ministry and mission. This is the character and content of worship as a gathered event and as a continuing influence. To make the evangelical worship service anything else is to misrepresent worship.

The congregation represents the human and cultural spectrum in which the church exists. To create a congregation that distorts the natural human and cultural context may provide an effective matrix for growth or other activities, but will have serious consequences for many aspects of church life where multi-generational and natural contexts are important. (A congregation of twenty-something skateboarders only is certainly possible, but will have issues regarding leadership and mission beyond that age and culture.)Continue reading “The Evangelical Liturgy 4: The Congregation”

Review: Denise Day Spencer on “The Pocket Guide To Sainthood” by Jason Boyett

cvr_SainthoodMy wife Denise is on her way to sainthood and is eminently qualified to review Jason Boyett’s new book.

Before I could begin this essay, I had to pull up my thesaurus and check for alternatives to the word “delightful,” because I could very easily overwork that adjective in a book review of Jason Boyett’s Pocket Guide to Sainthood.

The Pocket Guide to Sainthood is just that. At 219 pages and dimensions of 5″ x 7″ x 5/8″, this little book just might fit into a large pocket. Definitely a purse or backpack. But wait–I’m beginning to sound just a bit like Boyett.

Subtitled “A Field Manual for the Super-Virtuous Life,” the Pocket Guide is a fast-paced, easy-to-read volume chock full of general information, biographical summaries, interesting tidbits and Boyett’s quirky sense of humor on every page.

Continue Reading At Denise’s blog…

Liturgical Gangstas 14: The Hymnal

gangsterWelcome to IM’s popular feature, “The Liturgical Gangstas,” a panel discussion among different liturgical traditions represented in the Internet Monk audience.

Who are the Gangstas?

Father Ernesto Obregon is an Eastern Orthodox priest.
Rev. Joe Boysel is an Anglican (AMiA) priest and professor of Bible at Ohio Christian University in Circleville, Ohio. (Ask him about famous alumni.)
Dr. Wyman Richardson is a pastor of a First Baptist Church (SBC) and director of Walking Together Ministries, a resource on church discipline.
Alan Creech is a Roman Catholic with background in the Emerging church and spiritual direction.
Rev. Matthew Johnson is a United Methodist pastor.
Rev. William Cwirla is a Lutheran pastor (LCMS) and one of the hosts of The God Whisperers, which is a podcast nearly as good as Internet Monk Radio.
And we have a new gangsta! Eric Landry is the editor of Modern Reformation Magazine. In addition, he is a PCA church planter in southern California. (Now all the Presbyterians can stop writing me.)

Here’s this week’s question: How does the Hymnal function in your tradition? How does it affect your version of Christianity?Continue reading “Liturgical Gangstas 14: The Hymnal”

Noted: Interview with Soong-Chan Rah + Hayley Westenra + Misc.

Sojourners is running a two-part interview with Soong-Chan Rah, author of The Next Evangelicalism.

If you missed it, some Covenant Presbyterian Church members have joined the conversation at the link about church architecture. Remember that you can subscribe to comments as a separate feed here at IM.

I made 900 Facebook friends today. If you want to be FB friends or follow me on Twitter, there are icons for those links at the bottom of the page. You can also subscribe to the podcast via iTunes as well. (A note to people who invite me to things like “Mafia wars.” No offense, but get a copy of “Don’t Waste Your Life” and read it.)

I have returned to school after more than a month off. This will really mess with my daily work schedule for a while. The daily priorities are 1) prayer 2) sermon prep 3) class prep 4) work on the book 5) blogging and 6) podcasting. So you will probably see a bit less content than I’ve cranked out since July. I haven’t touched the book in a week, so I really need to get back in the groove.

A lot happening spiritually with my ministry and co-workers. Pray for us. “Be not afraid,” Jesus said. “Cast your cares” on the Lord is a special word for those who are supposed to “care.” You can’t “care” for what is in God’s hands! Know your place and know His Fatherly strength.

And here’s Hayley Westenra, the most beautiful voice in New Zealand, singing “May It Be” from Lord of the Rings. Enjoy the beauty.

The Evangelical Liturgy 3: The Leaders

leaderIntro, 1, 2.

If you are looking for a complete theology of the pastorate, sorry. I am going to talk about the relationship of leaders to the worship service itself, and a few related issues. The sermon is a separate subject. One point I am making is that ministers are not entirely preachers.

Someone has already asked if I am giving my own views or recommending what everyone should do. I’m speaking entirely from my own perspective on these matters. I’m well aware many disagree, and I’m neither looking for debate nor implying others must change.

For example, even though I will use the pronoun “he,” I believe women are called and gifted to be pastoral leaders, preachers and worship leaders. If that call and gift is recognized by a congregation, it can and should be exercised. I complete respect those who differ and I realize my view isn’t shared by many of my own peers.

The key to worship leadership is to lead as a servant of Jesus and of God’s people. Not to entertain, self-promote, distract or dominate, but to lead; to be a means by which worship’s direction is made clearer and the content of worship is communicated effectively so that a congregation can respond.Continue reading “The Evangelical Liturgy 3: The Leaders”

Michael Horton, Etc.: Resources on Reforming The Church and Its Worship

hbcfrontIf you only read one book on worship, it should be Dr. Michael Horton’s “A Better Way.” I can’t find an audio presentation of that material, but Dr. Horton has a lot of good material on reforming worship in the local church.

Reforming Worship
Preaching Christ
Reforming Church Music
Reforming the Church Service
Rethinking Baptism
Rethinking the Lord’s Supper

Dr. Horton has a 15-part Worship Class about two thirds of the way down this archive page: “Our Worship Class” from Christ Reformed Church.

I would also recommend those evangelicals who have appreciated the series and discussion so far consider purchasing “Beyond Smells and Bells” by Mark Galli and “Ancient-Future Worship” by Robert Webber. The Calvin Center for Christian Worship is a rich source of resources of every kind. A real feast for evangelicals.

(I am working all day tomorrow and Monday morning, so I may not be back to the series till late Monday.)

The Evangelical Liturgy 2: The Toolbox

tbNOTE: Read the intro? The first post? You ought to do so.

The “tools” for worship refers to the necessary books and literature giving distinctive evangelical content, flavor and boundaries to the worship service.

One of the problems with evangelical worship is that the entire “toolbox” is often the pastor and/or worship leader! That should never be the case. A Protestant church member or inquirer should always be able to turn to the toolbox of authoritative and non-authoritative content and understand what is being done in worship and even why it is being done.

For purposes of limiting the subject matter, I will be referring primarily to the toolboxes I am familiar with in my time in Baptist and Presbyterian churches. I am aware that other kinds of evangelicals will use other documents as well. I am also aware that for some of my readers, this is strange concept, but it is one that is very, very helpful.

So, what is the toolbox for the evangelical worship service?

1. The Bible. A congregation should promote the use of a single translation. Given all the factors that must be balanced in Bible translation, the ESV or NIV would be my translations of choice. (Don’t even think about having a translation debate in the comments.) Both are readable and dignified. I prefer the ESV for accuracy and the NIV for readability, but can work with either equally well in a public worship setting. Since, as we will see later, the public reading of scripture is an essential for public worship, this is the major component of the toolbox.Continue reading “The Evangelical Liturgy 2: The Toolbox”