When You’ve Read My 800 Page Theology Book, The Bible’s Simple Meaning Will Be Obvious

answer.jpgEvery so often, I entertain the notion that if the theologians would leave us alone, Christians would get along quite differently.

I know someone- actually a lot of someones- are going to tell me that Christians will divide over the color of the carpet without the help of any theologians, and that is certainly true. Once personalities and agendas get involved, divisions take on a life of their own. I know, I know.

But I still can’t help but notice that the big divisions, the really big ones, are made into what they are with the able and capable assistance of theological types who operate on the authority granted them by the fact that they know so much more than the rest of us.

I have a friend who’s going through a reaction to Protestant theology in general. I originally surmised I was watching a typical conversion to Rome, but I was wrong. Instead, my friend is going through a postmodern, Mclaren-esque revulsion to theological battles in general. In the relatively non-polemical atmosphere of post Vatican II Catholic spirituality (I know, I know), the focus is on the church’s prayer, worship, practice and unity. It IS attractive, and even though the RCC actually has more polemical requirements than any other church in existence, and hard line RC apologists are proliferating like kudzu, it doesn’t surprise me at all that from my friend’s seat in mass, it appears that the Christian life is simply being lived and God worshiped, no nasty, divisive, polemics in view. (A good history lesson would dissolve this illusion in the memory of certain unpleasant episodes of Catholic persecution of other Christians, but in the cool light of post Vatican II Catholicism, my friend is released from having to decide if history and theology matters more than the feeling that God comes near in the sacraments.)Continue reading “When You’ve Read My 800 Page Theology Book, The Bible’s Simple Meaning Will Be Obvious”

Answers to “Can You Be Too God-Centered?” + What you can learn from reactions to a provocative question

question.gifI’d like to do two things in this post. Really, this should be two posts, but I’m lazy.

First, I want to give some tentative answers to the question raised on this blog and discussed throughout the blogosphere, “Can We Be Too God-Centered?” My answers will be brief, and I’ll unpack them a bit more in Monday’s topical discussion at Connection Gate. (8 p.m. IMonk room in the public/Christianity area.)

Secondly, I’d like to talk about the experience of asking theological questions in the blogosphere, and how the responses to those questions tell us about what’s going on in evangelicalism today.

Can we be too God centered?Continue reading “Answers to “Can You Be Too God-Centered?” + What you can learn from reactions to a provocative question”

Ordinary Questions 2: Thoughts and A Story

egghead.jpgUPDATE: You have to wonder why David Wayne can see that it’s possible to cite and commend both Piper and myself positively, while other reformed bloggers are denouncing me for denying sovereignty and hating on Piper? “From a different perspective….” I guess that phrase is allowed some places and not others.

First, thoughts.

You go to the doctor with pain in your chest. He spends the whole hour talking about God.

Is this OK?

You go to a musical production of “Oklahoma.” The cast comes out and gives their testimony the entire time.

Is this OK with you?

You hire a carpenter to redo the kitchen. He spends most of his time talking about God, and runs the hours up twice what they should be.

An EMT comes to help you when your mother falls. He talks about God all the time he’s taking vitals and getting her ready to go in the ambulance.

If you are like me, you’re happy these people are godly and God-centered. But at these moments, you would like them to do the ordinary thing, and to do it right and well. They can talk later.

This isn’t hard, and it’s not denying the faith. It’s the way good parents raise their kids, the way good employers and employees do their jobs, the way anyone expresses their faith in their vocation.Continue reading “Ordinary Questions 2: Thoughts and A Story”

iMonk 101: The Man in the Shadow of Adultery

adultery.jpgUPDATE: This is an essay from a couple of years ago that has been helpful to many. I’ll rerun it and prayer it finds its audience as it did before. (8/1/07)

I have been wanting to write this major essay on adultery for almost four years. It was just never there. Yesterday, for whatever reason, I knew it was ready for “birth,” and so in a few hours this morning, it arrived. It is a plea for men who are somewhere in the vicinity of committing the sin of adultery to stop, return home, and take hold of the wonderful Good News of the Gospel. If I have earned a few more readers this week, I pray this essay would go out to as many as possible, and help those men and those marriages that can be helped before the plague of adultery destroys what is precious. On this weekend of my 50th birthday, thanks to all of my readers, and if this isn’t for you, it is for someone you know.

This is dedicated to Mike M and Michael A, both gone to be with God, both men whom I loved as fathers and brothers, both men who yielded. God’s peace to them.

I spend my days teaching the Bible to high school students. While there are many matters of fact and text that occupy my teaching, the great emphasis of my classes is that this book is about God’s message to “you”, the reader. The human person.Continue reading “iMonk 101: The Man in the Shadow of Adultery”

Letters to a Friend 3: God Above Theology?

volunteerpx_2.jpgLetters to a Friend is a series of posts responding to some recent comments of a Christian friend regarding theology, divisions and debates. Previous letters: Division and Infallibilty.

Friend says, “I reject the claims of various (evangelical) Christian groups to be infallible, right about everything and all other Christians except themselves wrong. This makes the entire business of theological debate meaningless and ridiculous to me. God is obviously above theology, and we have no idea what God thinks about who’s right in these theological debates. Perhaps God sees issues like the Lord’s Supper in a completely different way than any church teaches. When unbelievers, like my atheist friends, hear of these doctrinal debates, it discredits all of Christianity.”

Dear Friend,

Probably the most provocative comment in your talk was the statement that “God is above theology.” If I remember correctly, you said this several times and it was obviously very crucial to your statement. I’d like to respond to this statement, because I believe it is the heart of the issue.

If God is not above theology, a number of things must change in your position. Continue reading “Letters to a Friend 3: God Above Theology?”

Coffee Cup Apologetics 15

cca_small.gif“Responding to the most difficult question you will ever hear: Will God punish people forever in hell?”

Coffee Cup Apologetics now has its own website: ccapologetics.wordpress.com

All the episodes of Coffee Cup Apologetics are now on iTunes. I’m working to get the logo up and a few other tweaks. Go to iTunes and search for “Apologetics.”

Letters to a Friend 2: Infallibility

volunteerpx_2.jpgLetters to a Friend is a series of posts responding to some recent comments of a Christian friend regarding theology, divisions and debates.

Friend says, “I reject the claims of various (evangelical) Christian groups to be infallible, right about everything and all other Christians except themselves wrong. This makes the entire business of theological debate meaningless and ridiculous to me. God is obviously above theology, and we have no idea what God thinks about who’s right in these theological debates. Perhaps God sees issues like the Lord’s Supper in a completely different way than any church teaches. When unbelievers, like my atheist friends, hear of these doctrinal debates, it discredits all of Christianity.”

Dear Friend,

One word that stood out to me in your talk was the word “infallible.” I found myself in considerable disagreement with what it appears you meant when you assigned this word to persons like myself and others who promote theology. Perhaps you can clarify and we will be in more agreement.

I understand the term “infallible” to mean “unable to be wrong.” If something or someone is infallible, it is not possible for error to originate with them.

A person may claim to be right, but the claim of infallibility is something quite separate. I’m not surprised when anyone claims they are right. Your own words indicate you believe, on the basis of logic, that you are right. But you would not make a claim to infallibility.

Infallibility is considerably different from saying that someone believes they are right and not wrong. I believe I am right in saying I am 50 years old, but I do not claim to be infallible. I could be wrong. Error in knowing my age could originate with me. Many circumstances could cause me to be in error, but I am reasonably sure of this fact and would defend that conclusion.

The word “infallible” commonly occurs in two contexts among Christians. First, the Roman Catholic church claims that when the pope is functioning as the head of the church in an official teaching capacity, he is infallible. This produces a chain of tradition from the church that is infallible tradition.

This is a real advantage to the RCC. They use it, for example, to say only an infallible church could canonize scripture. I would disagree strongly, but the advantage of that approach is obvious. The problems are also obvious.

This is not saying the pope or the church cannot be wrong or do anything wrong. Some Catholic teachings, and many claims and practices, are not promoted infallibly. “Infallibility” is applied to very specific situations.

For example, in Galatians, Peter is confronted by Paul for his hypocrisy. This does not bother Roman Catholics in regard to Peter’s infallibility as the first pope, because all popes are sinners and make mistakes. Only in an official teaching capacity can he claim to be infallible. Bad people can be infallible popes in the RCC.

This does mean that the Roman Catholic church makes a kind of claim to infallibility that is different from the way other churches use the term. Since I disagree with it, I will gladly point out that when the RCC argues its case for doctrine, it does claim infallibility on a human level.

The second common use of “infallible” is among most Protestant evangelicals, who apply it to the Bible and the Bible only. They believe the Bible is inspired, infallible, authoritative and inerrant. (Not all evangelicals use all of these words or use them all in the same way, but that is another discussion.)

This means that no pastor, no church leader, no teacher and no denomination are infallible. The Bible only is infallible. The infallible Bible produces authoritative tradition through the infallible Holy Spirit and very fallible people.

Does that mean that, if the Bible is used to make a case, then infallibility is transfered to what is said or believed? The answer is “no.” While we believe the Bible is infallible, my version of what the Bible teaches about baptism is not infallible in the same way. My version of this doctrine may be in error, may be revised and may be improved. While I am reasonably certain I understand the Bible on this topic and I would have no problem saying I am convinced my view is right, I would never claim anything like infallibility.

I’m sure that the energy of many Christian debates seems to indicate that someone believes they cannot be wrong. I certainly know Christians who believe they, their pastor, their doctrine and their “team” are infallible, but if pressed they would admit that the only thing that actually can have the characteristic of infallibility is the Bible.

You were particularly bothered that I said I was certain enough of some doctrines that I would rather die than renounce them. This isn’t a claim to infallibility. It is a claim that I am convinced, as much as I can judge the subject, that I am correct. Being convinced doesn’t mean I am closed to the possibility of correction or change.

For example, I would die for certain aspects of my country, but I do not claim that America or myself are beyond error or absolutely right in an “infallible” sense. In a fallible, comparative sense, that response of loyalty is the right one.

I ask my children to obey me, but I would not claim infallibility in any aspect of parenting. Infallibility isn’t necessary to believe something is right enough to take a strong, sacrificial stand.

I have to disagree with you that contentious Christians are claiming infallibility. They may lack the humility and graciousness that should accompany any discussion. They may defend their position in a way that says they believe they cannot be wrong or less than perfectly right. They may demonstrate extreme stubbornness. But unless they are departing from their own Protestantism, all they can do is claim to be presenting the infallible claims of scripture fallibly.

Your answer to what you perceive as the dilemma of everyone claiming to be infallibility is to say that “God is beyond theology.” I’ll comment on that very postmodern assertion in another post.

So let me summarize where we are so far: I am not convinced that the kind of division or claims of infallibility you are reacting against actually exist. You may be “standing” in a place where these divisions seem to fill your screen, so to speak. I would suggest you take a more measured and less emotional look at the issue of Christian unity and doctrinal division. While there is much to lament, there is also much to celebrate, particularly among Christians who work, witness and minister together.

Peace,

Michael

Yaconelli Tribute

As a young youth minister, no one influenced me more with his HONESTY and his JESUS than Mike Yaconelli. He would have been 65 years old today. I miss him and his messy spirituality. He was responsible for much of the good – and some of the bad- that’s happened in evangelicalism the last 20 years. I miss his version of the Door and his incredible back page editorials. There’s no one I wanted to be more like. Rest in Jesus, Mike.