The Kids Are All Right: Ten Gift Ideas For A Fundamentalist Young Person Near You

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Reverend Billy says “Stop Shopping! Your consumerism is out of control!”

And the iMonk says “Give that fundamentalist young person near you a Christmas to remember…..and their pastor a reason to blow a wicket.”

(BTW, I don’t just mean any fundamentalist young person. I mean that young person who is stuck in a fundamentalist church, youth program or school, and they just don’t fit in. They’re different. You can look at this kid and tell that he/she isn’t buying it all. They’re skeptical. They’re thinking and questioning. Yes, they’ve been subjected to the youth revivals, youth camps, Gothard-ite mind control techniques, Dobson parenting principles and some whack job’s infant feeding schedule plan for producing a compliant kid….and none of it has worked. This kid has the wrong music on his/her ipod. The hair’s looking rebellious. There’s some comic tucked away in their backpack. They’re cruisin’ some websites that would send their youth minister into exorcism mode. Yes, THAT kid. That kid that needs some mentoring, some light, some message in a bottle that there’s something on the other side of Christianity than what’s been foisted on him/her.)

So, here’s Ten Gift Ideas For a Fundamentalist Young Person Near You:

1. A set of fantasy books that would get the label “Dangerous!” by the literature haters in their world. I suggest Susan Cooper’s The Dark Is Rising series.

2. Dinner at the restaurant of their choice, on you, on the condition they ask you 20 questions they couldn’t ask at their church/school/youth group without getting in trouble.

3. A digital tape recorder where they can give their honest reactions to all the sermons and talks they hear. They are allowed to question everything and to even do imitations of the preacher.

4. A free trip to the oldest, most ornate Catholic, Anglican, Lutheran or Orthodox church in town, followed by a free explanation of the concept of “mystery.”

5. A stack of books by former fundamentalists. Start with Frank Schaefer’s Calvin Becker Trilogy. (Be cautious here. When the young person discovers there are others who’ve thought and felt the same dangerous feelings, the reaction could be volatile.)

6. An ESV Study Bible, a Moleskine journal, Ryken’s Bible Handbook and any five books from Tom Wright’s “Everyone” series of commentaries.

7. The entire back issue library of the original Wittenberg Door when it was edited by Rice and Yaconelli. I know this is a bit dated, but it’s still powerful treatment for fundamentalism. The current online version can be helpful, but the Yaconelli input is crucial.

8. Depending on the age of your recepient, a selection of 5 DVDs they are not allowed to watch according to the fundamentalists in charge. OR allow the student to destroy any 15 Christian music CDs or Christian movies he’s been forced to keep in his collection. Films may not include any titles endorsed by Focus on the Family.

9. An evening at your home, with 10 non-Christian friends of their choice, for pizza, movies, games, music, etc. Church, religion and the Bible may not be mentioned under penalty of expulsion. The only game that can be played involves playing Praise and Worship music, but allowing people to shout whatever comes into their head during the songs.

10. A trip to an art gallery (with nudes), a museum (not creationist) and a secular music venue to hear somebody who will never, ever, ever be on K-Love.

You may add to the list:

177 thoughts on “The Kids Are All Right: Ten Gift Ideas For A Fundamentalist Young Person Near You”

  1. Coming in late, but:
    -anything written by Spider Robinson, especially the Callahan’s Place series.

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  2. I haven’t read everything so I hope I’m not repeating. My gift would be a membership for Christians for Biblical Equality with one of their posters: “Put women where they belong! Right beside men.”

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  3. A bow and arrow could be extremely risky, but throw in a copy of Bill Gothard’s “Basic Life Principles” for something to shoot at.

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  4. Great ideas, but reading them, I’m afraid I’ve been “outed.”

    I’m a Southern Baptist Deacon in my 60’s. I was given a Christmas gift “Beers of the World” by a couple of the young men in the college Sunday School class I was teaching at our local county-seat First Baptist Church. (Then they stuck around to try a few of them with me.)

    I suggest giving the kids a link to one of the many “Christian Naturist” websites and perhaps offer to take them and their parents for an afternoon around the pool at a naturist resort. (That would also be good therapy to make them less fearful of the Sears catalog.)

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  5. Linkin Park CD’s.

    “Numb” might be a particularly good song:

    “I’m tired of being what you want me to be
    Feeling so faithless lost under the surface
    Don’t know what you’re expecting of me
    Put under the pressure of walking in your shoes…

    “Can’t you see that you’re smothering me
    Holding too tightly afraid to lose control
    Cause everything that you thought I would be
    Has fallen apart right in front of you…”

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  6. OK, since I fell in with the evangelical-fundie crowd by mistake (was always the artsy type ;-)):

    – Bruce Cockburn CDs

    – a book or two on Renaissance (and later) art (it’ll have plenty of nudes, and they’ll have been painted and sculpted by Roman Catholics *and* Protestants! And lots of them will be ***Bible characters***!!!)

    – African and/or hip hop dance lessons
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    – tkts to “RENT” (or some other “subversive” musical)

    – Day of the Dead paraphanalia [sp?] (t-shirt, little sugar skulls, etc.)

    – complete set of Buffy the Vampire Slayer DVDs + Season 8 comics

    – a video of the KODO drum troupe from Japan (gigantic ritual Shinto drums played by almost-naked guys ‘n gals!!!)

    – Tinky Winky backpack 😉

    – a trip to the Church of St. John Will-I-Am Coltrane, or a Coltrane icon to hang on the wall + a copy of “A Love Supreme” (church site is here)

    – a free (as in, “on the gift giver”) pass to an introductory life drawing class

    – a lesson on the proper way to make a Black & Tan (with Irish punkers playing in the background)

    That should keep ’em busy for a while.

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  7. It’s a good thing I didn’t know of you, iMonk, back when I was in college and a leader for the church youth group. My would have been defrocked or whatever it is when you send a youth leader packing. Heap big trouble.

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  8. I watched “The Road to Wellville” with my wife, funny in a peculiar sort of way. — Radagast

    Ah, yes, Old Doc Kellogg. Someone to remember next time you sit down to a bowl of cornflakes.

    The even funnier thing is that a lot of what was in the movie went on during that time period especially the “medical” acts performed to relieve women’s hysteria. — Radagast

    You mean like rampant Hysterectomies, or just the gallon-sized yogurt enemas?

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  9. A backpacking trip in the wilderness

    “A Sand County Almanac” by Aldo Leopold

    “The Creation: An Appeal to Save Life on Earth” by E.O. Wilson

    “The Bible, Rocks, and Time” by Young and Stearley or “Creation and Time” by Ross

    “Rich Christians in an Age of Hunger” by Sider

    A big book on the history of art

    “Church History in Plain Language” by Shelley (I know someone else already mentioned this) or a subscription to Christian History magazine.

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  10. The Book of Common Prayer
    The Screwtape Letters
    heck–ANYTHING by:
    C. S. Lewis
    Dorothy Sayers
    Madeline L’Engle
    Chaim Potok (but esp. My Name Is Asher Lev; The Chosen; and The Promise)

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  11. A camouflage t-shirt.
    A distortion pedal.
    Skull guitar pick.
    Mario Brothers 3.
    The movie “Saved”, “Dogma”

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  12. Some feminist lit with religious overtones:

    The Handmaid’s Tale (but he might not get it)

    Ciderhouse Rules (ok, not really feminist, but every Christian teen who professes to be Pro-life should have to read this before they go on their first march on Washinton or an abortion clinic.

    WARNING: don’t actually try to use either of these in a Christian school. They will be banned…and you might be too! (yes, I was young, idealistic, dtermined to help kids think for themselves…and stupid!)

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  13. romero != army of darkness
    sam raimi = army of darkness.

    i’d recommend the better movies of either.

    also, the complete calvin & hobbes

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  14. If it hasn’t been mentioned yet – give him all the episodes of the Benny Hill Show complete with the Hills dancers (that’s Benny Hill not Benny Hinn)…

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  15. Patrick Kyle,

    I watched “The Road to Wellville” with my wife, funny in a peculiar sort of way. The even funnier thing is that a lot of what was in the movie went on during that time period especially the “medical” acts performed to relieve women’s hysteria.

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  16. Michael,

    Yes, I’m thinking more of the cards that show Mary, Joseph and Jesus as other than European. Like shepherds as Native Americans.

    (I said that it was mild.) GRIN

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  18. James,

    >I do think the world is hostile enough to believers without our brothers and sisters seeking to undermine parental influence and family structures.

    It took 159 posts for us to get to someone who entirely missed the humor of the whole thing.

    Congratulations on calling this thread a plan to “undermine” parents and family.

    It’s a joke. A bit o’ humor.

    ms

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  19. My Christian film festivals:

    I:
    A Clockwork Orange (endorsed by the Schaeffers!)
    The Last Temptation of Christ
    Kevin Smith’s Dogma
    II:
    Jesus of Montreal
    The Book of Life (Martin Donovan)
    The Rapture (Mimi Rogers)

    Reading:
    Ayn Rand’s ANTHEM
    C.S. Lewis’s THE GREAT DIVORCE
    Brian Caldwell’s WE ALL FALL DOWN (“If Quentin Tarantino had written Left Behind…”)

    CD:
    Tori Amos -“Little Earthquakes”

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  20. Well… reading this list has been an education in and of itself. As a british Christian, a member of a liberal church, and a conservative evangelical what strikes me is the lack of appreciation for the challenges of parenting in a post-Christian culture. I am only 24 and I grew up as a pastor’s kid, but I was exposed to prostitutes, drifters, drug abusers, murders and a whole host of people who were broken and abused. I don’t resent growing up in that environment (though my siblings have been hurt by it), but I do think the world is hostile enough to believers without our brothers and sisters seeking to undermine parental influence and family structures. My advice: try talking to the parents, offer them support, try winning their trust. You share common goals, you want your young people to grow up to be responsible believing adults, not naive about the ways of the world but wise as serpents and gentle as doves; work together not against one another. Your brother, James

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  21. imonk, speaking of “the door,” you’d have to send this kid the “Which Circle” comic (that appeared in the Door circa 2000?) where Doug the Christian Campus Ministry Leader starts out by saying: “Men, welcome to the men’s Bible study for men! Today’s topic…is titled ‘Completely Conquering Lust Forever OR How I stopped Masturbating and learned to Love my God’ ”

    A classic! If you scroll through the “which circle” comics at http://www.thedoormagazine.com you’ll find it.

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  23. Your suggestion of Yaconelli-era Wittenburg Door is right on the mark. Likewise the suggestion of the C. S. Lewis “Space Trilogy” and Steve Taylor’s music.

    For Gothard-sufferers, a link to the too-infrequently updated X-ATI Guy blog could be helpful.

    Some other book suggestions:

    Michael Horton’s Putting the Amazing Back into Grace.

    Garry Friesen’s Decision Making and the Will of God — or pick another book making the case that you don’t have to be in “full-time Christian ministry” in order to glorify God in your vocation.

    Growing Up Born Again by Patricia Klein.

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  28. Allow them to listen to all the classic rock songs….. forwards LOL!!!!

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    Give them a bumper sticker or a t-shirt that reads:

    “I survived the oak tree in my Camaro”

    [in reference to the popular fundamentalist youth revival stories told to those who laughed at the fundamentalist youth revivalist at altar call time. The stories were always about a guy (never a girl – so much for equal opportunity sinners) who did not listen and moments after the service was over was discovered down the street “dead and into eternal torment” from where he lost control of his Camaro and wrapped it around the oak tree at ‘dead man’s curve’.

    It was always done in exact comparison to the account of Elisha (aka the revivalist) and the young lads (the one who said no) who came out from the city and mocked him (the ones who laughed) who got mauled by Two Bears (the oak tree) found in 2 Kings 2:23-25 as their judgment for mocking the man of God (aka the revivalist)]

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    Give them a copy of the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue

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    Allow them to wear tennis shoes and shorts beyond gym class

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    Let them go to a church where the teenagers from 12-21 are not separated by sex during the Sunday School hour or Wednesday Night youth night

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  29. For a very mild shake up, may I suggest a collection of Nativity scenes, and/or Madonnas as done by various non-European artists.

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  30. Jason Blair, I can’t seriously believe you recommended freaking -DIO- to some potential Fundamentalist teenager in need of a gift.

    Seriously, bro? Ronnie James Dio?

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  31. I completely forgot about…

    Listen to Jesus Christ Superstar!

    (The original musical soundtrack, not the movie which is just weird.)

    “Nazareth, your famous son should have stayed a great unknown. Like His father carving wood, He’d have made good. Tables, chairs and oaken chests would have suited Jesus best. He’d have caused nobody harm. No one alarm.”

    And the crucifixion scene is far more powerful than many of the more orthodox versions.

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  32. Books: “World War Z” and “Zombie Survival Guide” by Max Brooks.

    Music: The Clash – “London Calling”. Bach – “St. Matthews Passion”. Bob Marley – “Legend”. Extol -“Burial”. Elvis – anything that is NOT him doiing gospel songs.

    Video Games: Any FPS. RTS.

    Movies: The Dark Knight. (When we went to see it at the theater, we ran into the youth pastor and his wife. We talked about it that Sunday.) Also consider anything by George Romero that has Bruce Campbell in it(Army of Darkness). The first two Matrix movies. The Godfather Trilogy.

    Any kid suffering from a Fundie upbrining is welcome in my house!

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  35. I can’t believe no one’s mentioned “Dead Poet’s Society” yet. That’s one very subversive movie!

    If we’re talking about a girl, I’d be seriously exposing her to some feminist literature, at least Christian feminist stuff if the hardcore’s too extreme. (It wouldn’t hurt aboy to read some either, but he’d probably be a lot less motivated)

    There seem to be some common themes here:
    anything that encourages imagination and genuine creativity
    exposure to the wider world of Christian thinking
    experienceof some things that fundies label “sin” and discovering their healthy and normal.

    I now realise my kids never had a hope of growing up fundie (despite some people around us) They were taken to art galleries, discussed mythology, went with us to the theatre occasionally (when they were old enough) always had alcohol in the house, and had permission to read any book they wanted to (and our house is FULL of books). They were exposed to social justice issues and we even played cards as a family.
    hmm .. maybe we’re the model for a “hell house” (something which doesn’t exist over here, fortunately) — we just never realised!

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  36. Don’t send me to Mars Hill. I just saw a big ol’ pic of Stryper on theresurgence.com. Don’t let the negative article fool you. Driscoll is a HUGE Michael Sweet fan.

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  37. First impression after reading this thread…..

    damn!! you guys are harsh!!!

    now that I got that off my chest, I’ll sit back and learn a thing or two……….

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  38. iMonk, I repent!

    I repent of Sufjan Stevens, and will atone by listening to AC/DC and Willie Nelson on Pandora Radio.

    Give the kid an iPhone, and threaten a life-long ban on media if he even thinks about programming anything Christian on the Pandora Radio player.

    Give him the DVDs (or downloads) of the first 4 seasons of The Office and all episodes from this season. Then buy him a yearly pass to the nearest multiplex so he can watch every movie as often as possible.

    Give him a Macbook, preloaded with bookmarks to such sites as TMZ, The Insider and MTV, so he can be up on pop culture.

    If all THAT doesn’t rid him of his fundamentalism, put him in front of a TV, show him old Jerry Falwell and Jimmy Swaggart shows and tell him that is his future and if he doesn’t change, in 20 years he will be dressing exactly like ol’ Jerry did back in 1985 and will be 10 times angrier than Jimmy.

    Now I need to detox by listening to Mars Hill Seattle worship music. And some Hank Jr.

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  39. where the hell are all the fantasy/scifi suggestions coming from? I’ve seen way too many of my “fundamentalist young person” friends turn into scifi nerds leaving the evangelical role-playing game for numerous fantasy role-playing games – not cool

    Gift Ideas
    – fiction by Christopher Buckley
    – Right Behind – by Nathan Wilson & Mr. Sock
    – Mantra of Jabez – by Douglas M. Jones
    – movies directed by Quentin Tarantino
    – the first DVD season of an HBO TV show
    – inclusion in a Beer & Bible study
    – a Led Zeppelin album
    – an ACDC T-shirt

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  40. I’m a dill
    I forgot;
    “The Spirit & Forms of Protestantism” by Louise Bouyer (A Lutheran pastor turned Catholic Priest- it totally changed my PoV)
    The martial arts idea is brilliant! (I hold dan grades in Hapkido, Karate and TKD) and love to tackle blanket nonsense statements from folks about the evils of martial arts.
    Something, anything by Nietsche
    A book on comparative religeon.
    Douglas Adams’ “Dirk Gently” books.
    Bram Stoker’s “Dracula” (the book!)
    “People in Glass Houses” by Tanya Levin (exposee of Hillsong)
    “Tranceformations” A hypnotherapy/ NLP work by Bandler and Grinder. (“There is no such thing as hypnosis” & “Everything is hypnosis”)
    A DVD on Yoga or Taiji.

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  41. Aaron said,

    Out of the Silent Planet by C.S. Lewis. This may seem like a tame suggestion, but I remember reading it as a young teenager, getting to the end and thinking, “He’s having a beer? But he’s supposed to be a Christian!!”

    Actually, even when “Jack” doesn’t mention beer at all, he is falling out of favor with the fundies and the rightmost wing of the evangelical spectrum. A tragedy whose proportions we will not be able to measure for two generations at least. Ah well. So give them the complete works.

    (iMonk, if you ever feel like a post on the topic, I would be very interested in what you think about why CSL isn’t liked so much anymore and what the consequences are going to be for evangelicalism. Sorry to get off topic.)

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  42. I guess that there’s no official calendar with “The Babes of TBN” to give them–talk about a potential money maker!

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  43. iMonk, you sending a pack to Driscoll’s church because of the anime presentations MH has done over the years? 😉

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  44. In defence of us old-school pen & paper RPG players, you HAVE to be social for it… there is no solo play in a worthwhile RPG! So, it’s kinda like having a rebellious life… just a little geekier

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  45. What I’d give a fundamentalist young person?

    The entire works of Terry Pratchett; Lewis Thomas’s “The Lives of a Cell;” a long weekend camping trip with my more patient pagan, UU, Christian, and vaguely spiritual friends who all get along fine; and an explanation of the Book of Hezekiah.

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  47. People in danger of going to hell:

    Anime fans, people recommending even good CCM, role playing gamers.

    I want this kid to have a rebellious life, not sit in his room waiting for the next episode of some Japanese cartoon.

    I’m sending a pack of you to Driscoll’s church.

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  48. AT Chaffee: Your Sci-Fi side is showing. Take a van full of your friends who never missed an episode of Babylon 5 and go to Landover for the weekend.

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  49. BrianD: any mention of a guy who sings dressed like a butterfly is a big mistake on my blog. Off to Landover with you. Get saved from whatever the heck that guy thinks he’s doing.

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  52. Ditto any Dostoevsky. If they have shorter attention spans, Kafka. John Donne’s poetry (and sermons) might be a good move, too.

    If they’re into comics get them something like Maus, Barefoot Gen, or Persepolis. Comics are cool but for teens comics about major historical events like the Holocaust, the atomic bomb, or even the Muslim revolution in Iran would all be good introductions to the kind of history they might not get in a fundy home.

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  53. This is a little less warped that some of the other suggestions (or maybe not), but I’d get them started on church history. A good place to begin for a teenager would be Justo Gonzalez’s The Story of Christianity. Church history helped me to develop a little perspective and to realize that what I had been taught WAS Christianity was actually just one, relatively recent, manifestation.

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  54. Or maybe I’d just give thought from my heart:

    I have a picture of Jesus hanging on my wall
    Mom says He’s just perfect, probably even ten feet tall
    With soft brown hair, gentle blue eyes and a manly jaw
    Makes me wonder if He ever drank or got into a brawl

    I’ve got a Bible with stuff He said written down and all
    Some said by Him or other men and some wrote by Paul
    Dad said someday I could be the one to answer the call
    But I’d rather just be cool hanging with friends at the mall

    I memorized ten rules and even the catchall
    I’ve done what I am told ever since I could crawl
    Ya know, things like don’t cuss, or smoke or drink or fall
    Don’t work on Sunday or act like no dirtball

    My skins not pierced, my pupils straight, my hair is theirs,
    My clothes are neat just like they want with no fashion tears
    I’m going to heaven and believe everything the preacher shares
    All hope of this being between God and me is lost in my prayers

    If Jesus sees all I say and do in that place upstairs
    I hope He cuts me some slack as He compares
    The things folks say and do at carnivals and fairs
    With Sunday morning when they’re putting on Church airs

    Jesus said take up a cross and go out in pairs
    Be a rebel against religion and do other Godly dares
    In the end what matters is whose heart the Spirit prepares
    To walk with God as a friend and stay out of the downstairs.

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  55. Clark writes:

    “1. A skateboard and some good skater attire, like skinny-leg jeans and a My Chemical Romance t-shirt.”

    Hilarious how things change. When I was a teenage skater punk in the early nineties, the thing was to wear pants that were about 5 sizes too big.

    And it probably would have been a Nirvana shirt :-).

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  58. You could keep it Christian but buy them the Rich Mullins: Songs on CD or iTunes, and look for artists like Sufjan Stevens who are believers but are far, far away from the NashVegas CCM scene.

    If the kid’s a reader, give him Matthew Paul Turner’s Churched book. And anything by Philip Yancey or Brennan Manning.

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  59. Out of the Silent Planet by C.S. Lewis. This may seem like a tame suggestion, but I remember reading it as a young teenager, getting to the end and thinking, “He’s having a beer? But he’s supposed to be a Christian!!” That book marked the beginning of me no longer being a teetotaler.

    Any album by Mark Heard. Careful here, though – listening to Heard ended up breaking down my resistance to the enjoyment of country music.

    Any album by Steve Taylor – especially the box set that includes “I Want to be a Clone.” Probably one of the biggest influences on my thinking as I was growing up.

    For bonus points, get the Mark Heard tribute album, Orphans of God. It includes Steve Taylor (via Chagall Guevara) doing a cover of Mark Heard.

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  60. – a Barack Obama collector’s plate
    – an “Our Lady of Guadalupe” T-shirt
    – The Brothers Karamazov and Crime and Punishment
    – Teach them the Jesus Prayer
    – fast from reading or listening to or watching anything produced by or for Christians (other than the scriptures, liturgy and prayer) as penance during Advent

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  61. I have to tell a brief story, because it does relate and several have mentioned monty, cigars and beer.

    In 1997 I put together a “men’s retreat” for a select group of forward-thinking Evangelical men in the UP of Michigan.

    On Friday night, to unwind, socialize etc. I had a Monty Python movie marathon, beers and cigars. We had a wonderful time. We laughed until we puked. We were standing around the kitchen sink at 1 AM doing dishes while singing in harmony the “Every Sperm is Sacred” song, like a barbershop quartet. It was the most fun I had had in over a decade.

    For the following morning, we were going to sleep in until about 9 AM then go out for coffee and start a wonderful day of listening to several LAbri-type lectures on tape about Christianity and Culture, sharing about books we’ve read, Scripture, art, music etc and having deep and meaning discussions. I had been looking for it for a couple months.

    However, I awaken to the sound of a car trunk slamming. I got up to find there had been a revolt. One of the men, “Felt disgusted” about our night of “Partying” and was leaving. He convinced the other men to do the same that we were in sin and this retreat was not being “blessed” by God. So the wonderful retreat was a failure and they were blaming me for creating a negative “unspiritual” atmosphere.

    But, if I had to do it over, I would have done the same. So, for a gift for a fundamentalist young person, I would give them a retreat like this. But I would isolate them; separate them from their cars so they couldn’t bug out as soon as they were overwhelmed with a false guilt.

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  62. The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galazy was originally a BBC radio production, which blows away any and all other incarnations in various media. Get the original, all others are cheap imitations.

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  63. Since it’s Christmas, give them a copy of “Mistletoe and Wine” by the Mediaeval Baebes 🙂

    On the more serious side, ask them what they’d be if they weren’t a Christian – and let them know you aren’t going to keel over in shock if they tell you Buddhist/Wiccan/atheist.

    Ask them why they are a Christian – is it because it’s what they were raised to be, or have they really decided they believe it? (I went through this when I was eleven; “Hmmm – if Protestants don’t believe what Catholics believe, why am I Catholic?” and I did a thought-experiment kinda thing along the lines of “Okay, let me pretend I don’t believe…” and came out the other end going “No, I do believe it, and not just because everyone around me tells me to.”)

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  64. Can’t believe no-one mentioned Harry Potter. The full boxed set for the kids, and a Harry Potter-themed homeschool curriculum for the parents (I’v e heard of them though it’s probably not official)

    Dune and Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy (1st 3 books of each series)

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  65. How about Candide by Voltaire? My pastor gave that to me when I was 17.

    You all are giving me a real education. I had never heard of Landover Baptist before. I’d heard of Bill Gothard but knew nothing of him until I googled him. I even homeschool and I’d never heard of him. What a freak!

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  66. This is terrible! It’s not your right. This isn’t funny at all, undermining the authority of parents to control the lives and minds of their children for Jesus. Shame!

    Just kidding. How about:

    -A Buddha statue
    -The Tao Te Jing
    -Something by the Dali Lama
    -A Ganesha statue

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  67. Probably not his kind of music, but I recommend Rich Mullins album The World as Best as I Remember It, Vol. 1. The lyrics to “Jacob and 2 Women” will blow anyone away.

    I hate to endorse hippie stuff, but a viewing of “Harold and Maude” could do wonders. Same with “Rushmore.”

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  68. Take your kid out to the pool for mixed bathing? Two piece mixed bathing? Man that didn’t happen when I was kid @ camp in TX. And that ungodly magazine Nat’l Geo? My grandmother use to have it laying around her house when I was kid. But her being a good Nazarene, she used a Sharpie and gave all the 3rd worlders clothes! Thankfully I never had to see grandma in a two piece! LOL

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  70. Bob Sacramento–Your prize is “The Lottery” by Shirley Jackson. That one got my attention when I was in grade school…50 years ago.

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  71. Denver girl could very well be my sister, just so you know 🙂

    Also, her suggestion of hanging at the Scum church could lead to piercings, multiple tattoos, and time spent with Craig Bloomberg. I think she wins.

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  72. We don’t even need to get secular. You should have seen my dad’s reaction when I came home with a Stryper tape.

    🙂

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  73. By the way, iMonk, how did you know there was full frontal nudity in Life of Brian? Huh? Huh?

    Of course, that led to a great scene:

    Brian: “You’re all individuals!”
    Crowd: “Yes, we’re all individuals!”
    Brian: “You’re all different!”
    Crowd: “Yes, we’re all different!”
    Brian: “You can all think for yourselves!”
    Crowd: “Yes, we can all think for ourselves!”
    Brian: “Exactly!”
    Crowd: “Tell us more! Tell us more!”

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  76. Has anyone mentioned cartoons? (I haven’t read all the comments.) I grew up in the 80’s which was a golden age of cartooning. So for a rebellious church kid I would recommend any anthologies of:

    Calvin and Hobbes
    The Far Side
    Bloom County (which had a great “Moral Majority” character)

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  78. While we are mentioning Mark Twain, may I suggest “The War Prayer”, and if possible the video version as well.

    Don’t forget the surrealists like Dali and Magritte. Especially pieces like Dali’s Last Supper, Crucifixion and Ascension. For Magritte, “The Empire of Light”

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  79. Actually, looking at the history of Gamma World, I started on the 2nd version – but I preferred the third. Action Tables were the way to game back then.

    But TMNT was by far the most fun I’ve ever had role-playing. I miss that possum….

    Does anyone still play with GURPS rules? I don’t have time for this d20 nonsense…

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  81. Patrick wrote:

    Two tickets to see the Flogging Mollies and Bad Religion at the Palladium in Hollywood.

    The best concert I ever went to was a Flogging Molly event. I really get a kick out of their songwriter’s classically Irish love/hate relationship with the Catholic Church.

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  84. A addendum to one of the above:

    – Let them watch the Super Bowl – *And* the commercials

    And
    – a remote control without a mute button.
    – a radiometric dating starter kit.

    – Craig

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  86. Watch:

    – Babette’s Feast (with a good glass of excellent French wine and some chocolate truffles as accompaniment)
    – any Hitchcock movie (preferably something ambiguous, like North by Northwest, Psycho, Vertigo, Spellbound, Rope…)
    – any classic opera or ballet
    – any Shakespeare play (or its film version)

    Listen:
    – any music (secular or religious) by Bach, Mozart, Haydn, Schubert… Or even better, play it with them (if they play an instrument, that is)
    – any music from the Beatles, Janis Joplin, Queen, R.E.M…. whatever you like

    Read:
    – Good Omens by Neil Gaiman/Terry Pratchett
    – G.K. Chesterton’s Father Brown stories
    – R. H. Benson’s Lord of the World (it’s so triumphalistically Catholic it’ll take their breath away! ;-))

    Give:
    – Rosaries
    – Icons
    – Sacred Heart T-shirts
    – Santa Claus bumper stickers

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  87. We could always teach them to read and study the Bible for themselves. The desperately needed addendum to that is ONLY accept as doctrine what is in there. Also, teach them that they need to evaluate every sermon by the Word of God, no matter who preached it or how much you normally agree with them.

    No gambling? That’s never mentioned in the Bible. Drinking is a sin? Then Jesus sinned because he drank wine. Never hang out with non-Christians? But Jesus was ALWAYS hanging out with the lost…he never turned down a party and free food in the Gospels.

    DD

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  88. Since anime nerds have chimed in but not recommended anything — I think you need to give your favorite sheltered child the DVD set of “Kamichu.” It’s a series about an unassuming middle-school girl who becomes a Shinto deity (aka “A God” as she’s referred to in the English). Her good friend is a shrine maiden and her cat is possessed by the god of poverty. For extra fun, let them know the cat’s English voice is done by a Christian actress.

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  89. – “Beers of the world” sampler set
    – teach them beer pong
    – Place a bet for them at the dog track
    – a literature anthology
    – a passport

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  90. The Bromeliad Trilogy by Terry Pratchett. How do you make a… link… hang on… href something… I give up:

    Anyway, it’s an amazing fantasy about 6″ high people living in a department store that’s also has a lot to say on fundamentalism, power, faith and all sorts, all with a sense of fun and lightness of touch that means it never stops being funny or fun. To be fair, it may be for kids a bit younger than the teenager we’re imagining here (I was about 11-12 when I read it). But it forces you to come to terms with doubts you might be shielded from and get no handle on otherwise until you’re too old to be able to process them properly without running away from the truth of God altogether.

    Really, it’s ace.

    And I don’t like dragons, apart from Eustace Clarence Scrubb, obviously, and he almost deserved it.

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  91. Give them AC/DC’s Back In Black and tell them the letters actually stand for Altruistic Christians Doing Charity.

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  93. “I must confess, iMonk, I play World of Warcraft, and I have three characters, two of which are high-level.”

    Ooh, another cult convert! Must get evangelize to get more… 😉

    I have to admit that I have 6 characters, three of which are high level. My husband and I were among those waiting in line at the store at midnight on Nov. 13 for the expansion release. I took the next two days off from work and we played to our hearts’ content.

    I agree with Fr. Ernesto – get the kid a WoW gift subscription. Add to that a nice set of His Dark Materials (Pullman), the complete Harry Potter series – books and movies – and anything written by Neil Gaiman, Isaac Asimov and Douglas Adams. For humor content, go with Terry Pratchett.

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  94. I read all these last night, and couldn’t add anything. Here it is:

    1. A skateboard and some good skater attire, like skinny-leg jeans and a My Chemical Romance t-shirt.

    2. Any number of Grand Theft Auto (that’s a video game)

    Lonely Pligrim: have you ever eaten at a restraunt the serves alcohol?

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  95. Gordo: God help you. You’re very far gone. Go to Landover and pray.

    P. Kyle: St. Sam of Kenison. Patron of all fallen Preachers. Won’t he make the next world a blast?

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  96. * An AC/DC “Highway To Hell” concert T-shirt

    * Tickets to sit in the “Black Hole” at an Oakland Raiders game

    * Appearance on an MTV reality TV show

    * A “No on Prop 8” bumper sticker

    * Let them write down the ten biggest lies told at church

    * Dinner with Paris Hilton

    * A “Christopher Hitchens Study Bible” bible case.

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  97. Movies:
    Blade Runner (directors/final cut, version with voice overs isn’t the same movie in any way shape or form)
    Being There
    Leap of Faith
    Groundhog Day
    Shawshank Redemption

    Books
    A Mote in God’s Eye. And the sequel. The first is good. The second makes the first have an entirely new meaning.

    Someone else mentioned Robert A Heinlein, “Time Enough For Love” but you need to be there to discuss it after they are done. This book can seriously warp you if your foundation is weak.

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  98. a deck of cards, a zippo lighter and a non christian friend who is ten times more loving than they are (not hard for me to find).

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  99. Tickets to a WEC cagefight match.

    And, as I read these I have some hope for my own kids who go to church. My daughter dresses her own way, likes me to streak her hair pink or purple, and listens to all of the music we do (favorites right now are The Beatles and Queen). My son wants to grow his hair long – but has so far managed to have a bigger looking head.

    None of this would have happened for me when I was growing up in the Midwest!

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  100. This is terrible, making light of such worldly compromises. Shame on you, iMonk; I castigate you heartily!

    I would give:

    –DVD box set of the Simpsons
    –A tattoo and/or piercing. I might even get brave & get one myself.
    –Tix to see the secular band of their choice.
    –“A Field Guide to Evangelicals and Their Habitat” by Joel Kilpatrick
    –A tour of the local Budweiser plant
    –A Darwin fish for the car

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  101. Not in any particular order;

    Two tickets to see the Flogging Mollies and Bad Religion at the Palladium in Hollywood.

    A weekend pass and $300 cash to Spring Break festivities in Rosarito Beach, Mexico.

    Any Sam Kennison DVD.

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  102. I got to this late, but the second posting by iMonk just cut to the quick. I must confess, iMonk, I play World of Warcraft, and I have three characters, two of which are high-level.

    So, give that kid a W.O.W. gift set.

    Even better, have that kid take a martial arts class.

    Or, have them go to a museum of art. It does not have to be modern art. It can even be ancient art.

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  103. My niece & nephew who both attend Pennsacola Christian College will be in town over the Holidays. I plan on taking them to a gay bar.

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  106. Fantasy Books by Moorcock (esp the Elric books), Cordwainer Smith and Stephen Donaldson.
    A tattoo.
    An ear ring.
    A set of cards.
    A statue of Mary (esp. one of those tacky weather vane types)
    The complete “Blade” trilogy.
    “The Origin of Species” Charles Darwin
    Something by Spong (the only item here I’d really cringe at)

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  111. this is the longest thread in the history of the Christian blogosphere to just have fun without someone castigating us….Now…I said it, and it will happen.

    10 points on the fossils and Carlin.

    A copy of Wayne Oates, “When Religion Gets Sick.”

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  112. I love virtually all the above, and add:

    Some scholarly, but easy to read, textbook on the characteristics of abnormal psychology, social manipulation, and mind games that we all play, especially people who are in some type of spiritual authority.

    The best of Saturday Night Live on DVD.

    The movie SAVED on DVD.

    A 260 million year old trilobite fossil . . . with a thorough description of how it was really dated. Then a personal tour of the Creation Museum with three world class old-earth PhD natural scientist . . . who happen to be nice guys/gals . . . and Christians!

    The book (which doesn’t exist) of the secret life of, well not Bees, but of all the great Christian Heroes such as Hudson Taylor, Jonathan Edwards . . . hmm let’s throw in Bill Gothard. You know, the things they did in secret.

    Twelve romote-control fart machines to plant in the Christian book stores in the Mall.

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  114. Justin:

    I forgot about buying a subscription to National Pornographic oops I meant Geographic. In some fundie / pente-holiness environments, you couldn’t read it because of the pictures of the naked tribal women in third-world impoverished nations that may cause some young boy to ‘imagine’ the ‘parts’ on his female classmate and want to have sex with her (but it was always implied that the women ‘never’ looked at the naked tribal men and ‘imagined’. The girls were considered as ‘always holy’ while the boys were considered as ‘always evil’).

    I have a very good friend of mine who grew up ‘hyperfundie’ and he told me they he and his older brother growing up could not look at the Sears or J.C. Penney catalog unless one of their parents was present in front of them (this fear of the young boys looking at the women’s lingerie / undergarments section could cause impure thoughts). However, their sister (aged between my friend and his brother) had full and unsupervised access to the catalogs.

    —–

    I could also add

    Take them to the city swimming pool (two piece swimsuits and co-ed swimming, another fundie / pente-holiness no-no)

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  117. Give em a bus ticket and send them to Denver for a month. They can hang out with those “Scum of the Earth” church people. Proof that not all is lost.

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  118. 1 – Introduce them to the iMonk,
    2 – Let them read this post,
    3 – Smile Sweetly and say “Pick any three”

    Mine?
    An evening at your home
    Any Rand
    & Middle Earth!

    (don’t mess with my SciFi…)

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  119. Any secular music would do, but you could really twist the knife by making it Dio or Black Sabbath.

    Bravo on #6, BTW.

    How about Calvin’s Institutes?

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  120. Take them to the bowling alley, miniture golf, and / or roller skating rink on any other night besides ‘church night’ (church night is defined as the one night a month prearranged between the entertainment venue and the church where the music was cut off or the deacon was the dj playing Southern Gospel and the video games were unplugged and the pool table / foozball table coin inserters were locked).

    Take them to a ole time billiards room.

    Buy them a deck of bicycle playing cards.

    Buy them a board game with dice (Monopoly)

    Let them drive a black or red sports car.

    Buy them Catcher In The Rye, The Grapes of Wrath, or anything by Ernest Hemmingway

    Buy them any christian book written by someone from England especially Spurgeon, Tolkien, and C.S. Lewis (they love to rail and slam ‘British’ Christians as liberal compromising apostates of easy-believism)

    Buy them a standard 5 piece drum set with hi-hat and cymbals and give them drum lessons (real big no-no among extreme fundies / pente-holiness types)

    Let them watch the Super Bowl, the WORLD Cup, and the Olympics.

    Take them to Wal-Mart on Sunday

    —-

    I saw the same mentalities in the pentecostal / holiness church environment I grew up in….

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  121. DVD movie “Team America” (a Cohen bros creation).

    A weekend at “witch camp” near San Francisco(summer camp for wiccans)

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  124. My gifts…

    book: _Atlas Shrugged_ (or any other Ayn Rand)
    CD/music: Metallica, _Ride the Lightning_
    DVD(s): Soylent Green and THX 1138
    scholarship: only good at a State/A&M/Ag College or University
    a beer: just to show it ain’t going to kill ya’
    a condom: besides being a “buzzkill”, let’s quit pretending, shall we?
    magazine sub.: National Geographic, with the stipulation it must actually be read.

    Someone mentioned the museum trip and an astronomy mag. subscription, great ideas.

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  125. No one has mentioned a gift certificate to the nearest clean piercing place for a piercing on either the lip, upper lip (Monroe), belly button, or ear… and then a t-shirt that says Jesus was pierced for my iniquities….

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  126. flannery o’connor. brutal, dark, and to the point. (for those who like to read)

    monty python the life of bryan. “myrhh? what’s that?” (for those who like to laugh)

    ommegang three philosophers. (if they are old enough….. or not?)

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  127. I was so glad to see you mention Landover Baptist, and don’t forget, of course, Mrs. Betty Bowers, the world’s greatest Christian, or whatever it is that she bills herself. A good dose of Deacon Fred’s rants would help too.

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  128. For the 10 year old and under crowd, a “600 Million Years of Life on Earth” play mat from Charlie’s Playhouse.

    For the teen and up crowd: any book by a Christian who is a scientist, accepts evolution, and explains why evolution and Christian faith are compatible. Suggestions:

    Ken Miller – Finding Darwin’s God

    Francis Collins – The Language of God

    A copy of Larry Norman’s Only Visiting This Planet

    A copy of John Killinger’s Ten Things I Learned Wrong from a Conservative Church

    Freedom from guilt for not having a “Daily Quiet Time ®.”

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  129. Take them to the ballet or opera- its 1. culture of the sort fundies wouldnt go to and 2. they are likely to see gays who don’t rampage, kill, and rape whenever they get the
    opportunity (I’m fine with the Bible’s teaching on homosexuality, but not with the idea that gays are all sex deviant monsters with horns/subhuman/want to rape your kids stuff I got at an SBC megachurch church, well, 5 years ago:)

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  131. I had a preacher ask me if he could come preach at our school AGAINST THE FORCE because he was convinced young people were worshiping it. — IMonk

    Out here in SoCal during the Eighties, we had this Calvary Chapel preacher who was obsessed with denouncing Star Wars. Worked a slam on it into every one of his sermons, every one of his radio shows, everything and everywhere. “The Force = SATAN!” WAS his entire Culture War 24/7/365. Talk about obsessive…

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  132. I’m not a gamer, but I grew up on Anne McCaffrey and I’m friends with Donita K. Paul. Viva la dragons!!!*

    *Nothing I’ve ever posted in my entire life is in any way affiliated with or endorsed by the amazing Donita K. Paul.

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  133. From a former fundamentalist young person:

    You know what’s messed up (and no, I wasn’t thinking “messed”) more than the “young person who is stuck in a fundamentalist church, youth program or school, and they just don’t fit in”? The young person who’s in that environment, shouldn’t fit in, but does anyway.

    That’d be me, btw.

    I actually made my counselor cry the other day when I told her about some of the skubala they pulled when I was a kid.

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  135. iMonk wrote:
    I think people who suggest D&D are betraying their own nerdy, anime saturated, X-boxed subculture and need to seek deliverance of a different sort.

    LOL! You got the nerdy and deliverance part on the nose! Not so down with anime and XBox, however. Though I must say, the guys I know who are in their 40+’s, are Christians, and still regularly play D&D take the nerd cake in my world. They almost made me retire my polyhedral dice!

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  136. Since God created full frontal nudity, you should watch it. It would especially be good for pious Lutherans.

    BTW- we need some Lutheran fundy stories. Share the love.

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  138. I always enjoyed “The Life of Brian”. I think more Christians can watch it. I suggest it in Bible Study. I suggest it for Bible study, but no one takes me up on it. I do though tell my confirmation kids to watch it. Warning their parents about the full frontal nudity, so they can watch it later.

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  139. John,

    I had a preacher ask me if he could come preach at our school AGAINST THE FORCE because he was convinced young people were worshiping it.

    That could come in very handy in the furniture moving business.

    I was once confronted by a deacon’s wife for being in a pizza place that served beer. She was there as well, of course….but that was different.

    It’s amazing what Yahweh is against. He needs to issue some ongoing press releases to keep us up to speed.

    ms

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  140. I’d add travel abroad, not for the purpose of missions or evangelism, but simply to absorb and experience another culture.

    Wish someone had given me some of the items on this list when I was a teenager. Went to a quite conservative missionary boarding school with strict rules against movies. Snuck off to see Star Wars at a new theater in the big city with some friends, looked down the row of seats 10 minutes into the movie and saw several of the younger teachers from the school. They didn’t rat on us, and we didn’t rat on them. 🙂

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  141. The full frontal nudity in Life of Brian tells me a lot about your spiritual life, Treebeard. Shame on you. Go to Landoverbaptist.com and get your life straightened out.

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  142. Sorry to post again so quickly. Two more excellent fantasy series, both by John Christopher, great for unleashing the creative mind:

    – The Tripods Trilogy (The White Mountains, etc.)
    – The Sword of the Spirits Trilogy (The Prince in Waiting, etc.)

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  143. Wow! “The Dark is Rising”! I forgot all about that series, but I read it voraciously as a kid. Beautiful, eerie, powerful stuff. I even wonder if it helped me become a Christian, because it made the existence of a spiritual realm so palpable.

    Thanks for the reminder.

    My suggestion: Rent a Monty Python movie and watch it with them. “Life of Brian.” “Holy Grail.” “Meaning of Life.”

    Although as a believer I wince at some parts of the “Life of Brian,” it’s a wonderful skewering of the religious mindset. I.e. the Judean People’s Front versus the People’s Front of Judea.

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  144. Suggest that one of the best ways to keep up with the news is via NPR. Even the parts you totally disagree with.

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  148. I always preferred the 2nd Edition rules of Gamma World to AD&D myself. GURPS was a better rule set than either of those two systems though (I had a possum character in TMNT that I played like Nick Fury).

    Beware the role-playing geeks, iMonk – we’re everywhere..

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  149. A tattoo.

    A book by Bill Maher or some other non-Christian that brutally critiques Christians.

    Maybe introduce them to some people that live and minister outside of the Christian taboo bubble.

    Tickets to a showing of the Cotton Patch Gospel.

    I second the idea of a trip to an unconventional protest. Maybe join some Falong Gong practitioners protesting for religious freedom in China (there are lots in my area). Christians can certainly support that cause.

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  150. How about these two books:

    “How I became a woman pastor”

    “Why I chose to be a stay at home dad”

    If there are actually books by that name I have no idea and deny any knowledge thereof.

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  151. Nice iMonk, How about this: Give them a copy of Church History in Plain Language. It would fly under most Fundies radar, but feeling like part of a long succession of catholic Christians (which that book did for me) can take some of the partisanship out of the culture warrior.

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  152. We do need more Irish punk music in this package. A night at a Dropkick Murphys concert. Or the Pogues. Or even the Elders for a more traditional slant. Just get going Celtic.

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  157. As far as the fantasy reading, may I suggest Madeline L’Engle’s “Wrinkle in Time” series. (it sure helped me), the early Anne McCaffery Dragonriders of Pern series. (not the later ones.)

    Almost forgot, Christopher Stasheff’s “Warlock inspite of Himself” series. That whole series is nice, because the main characters marry, have kids who grow up, and in the last book, die.

    If you want to encourage service, try to find a group praying outside of an abortion clinic. Very few evangelicals there, but good caring people.

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  160. If he/she drives, give him/her a bumper sticker that says

    “I gave up King James for Eugene Peterson”

    or

    “I gave up the KJV for the Message”

    whichever you like better.

    If he/she doesn’t drive, make it a T-shirt with the same wording.

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  161. *The Treasury of Daily Prayer from the New Reformation Press :), and The Catechism of the Catholic Church.

    *A $1.00 scratch lotto ticket.

    *Dinner with my co-habituating friends … and their daughter.

    *An invitation to play on a non-church league/non school related athletic team.

    *An invitation to hand out treats (not tracks) at my house next Halloween.

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  162. Get that kid some hip hop CDs!

    Or better yet, get YOURSELF some hip hop CDs. Nobody can rage against mom and dad and their Fundamentalist stupid church if they know mom loves Kanye West. And not just for that “Jesus Walks” track either.

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  163. Give the gift of the musical excellence that is Abbey Road by the Beatles.

    If the kid is more of a young adult at 18, get him/her a cigar and discuss the yearning of the people of God for the Messiah while teaching him/her how to blow smoke rings.

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  164. “some whack job’s infant feeding schedule plan for producing a compliant kid”

    GKGW?

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  168. Can I just say that’s awesome. I could have used those gifts when I was a kid – even as an undergrad.

    How about taking the kid to a protest march being held by any non-typical Christian group, such as one protesting war, environmental degradation, or the unfair treatment of others – like a gay rights march. Then ask the kid to talk to 10 people and ask them why they are marching and what it means to them personally.

    Of course, if the goal is to break down fundamentalist barriers and expand horizons, these days you could just give a kid her own computer with internet access.

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  172. What about giving them a crucifix? A necklace or wall crucifix would surely send their pastor up the wall.

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  173. Teach ’em to sing the Pogues “Fairytale of New York” (the one that begins “It was Christmas Eve, babe/In the drunk tank”) as this has become the unofficial National Irish Christmas Anthem.

    For bonus points, get ’em to sing it at the school/church Christmas concert 🙂

    (Okay, that last will probably result in coronaries/apoplexies/expulsion/excommunication/attempted exorcism/needing to join the Witness Protection Program, but it’d nearly be worth it) 😉

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  174. I can’t say that word. I’m a Southern Baptist.

    I call “Fail” on your last suggestion. Booo.

    I like the Sunday game though.

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  175. For #2, there must be this caveat. The restaurant must serve beer.

    Other suggestions:

    -Pay for him/her to go on a date that involves dancing.

    -Take him/her to ball game on Sunday far enough away to require him/her to miss both morning and evening worship.

    -Buy him/her a full season of “Will and Grace” on DVD….or a copy of Elton John’s Greatest Hits on CD.

    -Give him/her a bible that has the apocrypha in it.

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  176. I think people who suggest D&D are betraying their own nerdy, anime saturated, X-boxed subculture and need to seek deliverance of a different sort.

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