iMonk Classic: I Have My Doubts

Note from CM: Here is one of Michael’s all-time best posts, a classic example of why people loved and listened to him. He spoke as a human being to other human beings. Our Christian faith doesn’t permit us to skip the “human” part, though many of its practitioners advertise it in precisely those terms. In fact, if it doesn’t take us even more deeply into our humanity, including the pervasive doubts and questions that we all have — yes, even you, Church Lady — then I feel justified in questioning just how real it actually is.

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I Have My Doubts
The many reasons I don’t believe.
by Michael Spencer

Immediately the father of the child cried out and said, “I believe; help my unbelief!”

• Mark 9:24

Let’s start with bugs.

Bugs have always….well…bugged me. They bite me. Wasps hate me. Mosquitoes swarm around me. Gnats head for my ears and eyes like some bad remake of “The Birds.” There are a thousand varieties of bugs that all seem dedicated to devouring me. When I was a kid, my friends called me “bug eyes” because of this curse. Now, I can go for a walk and look up to see a swarm of bugs like a cloud over my head.

Is this right? I mean, even if there is a curse on creation, didn’t mosquitoes always drink blood? Aren’t they designed that way? So why would God make the little bloodsuckers? Why make wasps that sting? Why make me in such a way that bugs want to appropriate my body for their own purposes? Sure, the wonders of biology speak of intelligent design, but wasn’t there some way to do this to the glory of God without eating, stinging and killing me?

It’s one of those thoughts that hit me a few dozen times a day. One of those thoughts that make me wonder if God is real, or if I am a fool to believe that God created and runs this universe of mosquitoes and gnats.

Ever think about forever? I hear the word all the time, but when I get down to thinking about it, it grinds my pea brain to a halt. An atheist friend once asked me if a person would want to do anything forever. No matter what it happened to be or how pleasant the experience. I’ve gotta admit, heaven seems like a wonderful alternative to earth, but every time someone says we will be “praising the Lord forever,” I get a little sullen. I’m sure to get bored.

It makes me stop and wonder if Freud was right. Do we make it all up to make ourselves feel better?

My daughter just got her driver’s license. I now go to bed, wake up and spend all day worrying that she will die in an accident. (I’m just being blunt here. Sorry if I am shocking you.) I worry about that because I know people–lots of good, Christian people–who have suffered such a loss. Most of them hold on to their faith and make it through–somehow. It’s a miracle to me. I can’t understand it because I suspect such a loss would gut me beyond ever being able to stand up and say I believe in God. My best scenario would be to become like C.S. Lewis, who at one point said his wife’s dying with cancer made him believe God was a vile, cosmic monster who no moral person could trust.

If God won’t answer my constant prayers for my daughter’s safety, why am I praying them? What kind of God asks me to trust him, and then is, in the matter of my daughter’s safety, very untrustworthy? Is it really easier to believe in such a God, or as Anthony Flew says, in no God at all?

One more. When I think of how often God has been real to me; how often I’ve sensed His reality in other people; how often I’ve seen direct and specific answers to prayer; how often I’ve had a no-questions-asked assurance that God is my Father, the Bible is true and Jesus Christ is Lord, I find myself wondering if it’s all true, or am I just pretending, faking and putting on an act? My honest Christian experience is pretty meager, and the experience I have that goes beyond all doubt to the “I just know it’s true” category is even slimmer.

I have my doubts. About it all. God. Jesus. Life after death. Heaven. The Bible. Prayer. Miracles. Morality. Everything.

“But you are a pastor. A Christian leader.” That’s right, and I am an encyclopedia of doubts. Sometimes it scares me to death.

I’m terrified by the possibility that I might have wasted my entire life on the proposition that Christianity was true, when in fact it wasn’t even close. I wonder if I have been mentally honest with myself or with others, or have I compromised my own integrity in order to collect a paycheck and have a roof over my head? Have I acted as if the case for faith was clear when it was a muddled mess in my own mind?

What’s really frightening is that these doubts persist and get stronger the longer I live. They aren’t childish doubts; they are serious, grown-up fears. I don’t have the kind of faith that looks forward to death. The prospect terrifies me, sometimes to the point I am afraid to close my eyes at night. I have more questions about the Bible and Christianity than ever, even as I am more skilled at giving answers to the questions of others. I can proclaim the truth with zeal and fervor, but I can be riddled with doubts at the same time.

When I meet Christians whose Christian experience is apparently so full of divine revelation and miraculous evidence that they are beyond doubts, I am tempted to either resent them or conclude that they are fakes or simpletons. The power of self-delusion in the face of a Godless, meaningless life is undeniable. If there is no God, can I really blame someone for “taking the pill” to remain in his unquestioning certainties?

There is sometimes nothing worse than being able to comprehend both all my doubts and all the accepted, expected answers. It tears at the soul, and declares war on the mind. I feel remarkably alone in my moments of doubt, and wonder, “Do other Christians feel this yawning abyss of doubt, or am I just a bad Christian?”

My doubts are bad enough that I have to make frequent daily reexamination of the very basics of my own faith. These aren’t matters that were resolved in a conversation somewhere back in college and have never visited me again. Oh, no. Almost daily I travel back down some of these well-worn paths. Walking through the Valley of the Shadow of Doubt has given me many opportunities to ask myself why I am a Christian, and to appreciate those who chose not to believe.

These doubts have made me respect my honest, unbelieving friends. To many of them, it isn’t so much the content of Christianity that is ridiculous. It’s the idea that Christians are so certain; so doubtless. They find it untenable that anyone could bury their own doubts so deep that you are as certain as Christians appear to be. Our television and radio preachers, our musicians and booksellers, the glowing testimonial at church, the zealous fanatic at the break table at work–they all say that Christians no longer have the doubts and questions of other people. Only certainties. And for many thoughtful unbelievers, that appears to be lying or delusion, and they would prefer to avoid both.

So do I. I profoundly dislike the unspoken requirement among Christians that we either bury all our doubts out in back of the church, or we restrict them to a list of specific religious questions that can be handled in polite conversations dispensing tidy, palatable answers. Mega-doubts. Nightmarish doubts. “I’m wasting my whole life” doubts are signs one may not be a Christian, and you’ve just made it to the prayer list.

Martin Luther was one of the few Christians who honestly experienced and conveyed what it was like to live in honest suspension between one’s worst doubts and fears, and the promises of God in the Gospel. In his book Luther: Man Between God and Death, Harvard professor Richard Marius says of Luther’s theology,

In this life, God does not lift the Christian out of human nature, and God does not reveal himself beyond any shadow of doubt. Weak human nature will not let us believe in the promises of God with a confidence that purges from the soul the anguish of fear and unbelief, the Anfechtungen… Therefore, in Luther’s discovery of justification the Christian was liberated from the self-imposed requirement to present a perfect mental attitude to God, to confuse belief with knowledge, faith with the direct intuition of an observed world. Whereas in the earlier Luther the fear of death was the ultimate form of unbelief, the Luther who discovered justification by faith understood that no matter how great our faith, it cannot be strong enough to stave off terror before death.

It is interesting that many skeptics fault Luther for being, well….frankly, nuts. But I believe Luther was courageous enough to see and feel the verities of a universe without God and a universe where sinners were under the judgment of a Holy God. With such options on the table, it is hard to be coolly academic about reality. Only in justification by faith through Christ did Luther find a spirituality that contained room for both his damning doubts and his liberating experience of grace.

Such a spirituality is the only option for an honest Christian. As Luther suggests, there is no escape from human nature, and therefore no escape from the kinds of doubts that can vacate the universe of God’s presence. It is precisely this spirituality that I find in the Bible, and it is a significant discovery.

The early chapters of Genesis make it clear that sin created a profound division between God and human beings. Not just an interruption in communication, but a universe-sized separation.. There is great evidence that this abyss creates a situation where human beings may reasonably, sensibly feel that God is absent, or that there is no God. This is not because of an absence of evidence for God’s existence, or because God has abandoned the world, but because human experience is fundamentally changed and we are blinded to the resident glory of God in the universe and within our lives.

We see this most clearly with Job, whose tragedies bring him into a disparate experience of being certain of God and his justice, and also being overwhelmed with the absence of God. The ringing cry of many Biblical sufferers is “Where is God?” The skeptic says “There is no God.” Israel experiences judgment and announces that “God has forsaken us.” It is not uncommon or strange for doubts to overwhelm faith, or for life to take on the appearance of a universe without God. The Bible attributes this to who we are as fallen persons, and seems to accept it as part of the fabric of Christian spirituality. Even Jesus, in his human nature, knew what it was for pain to bring him to the point of saying, “God, why have you forsaken me?”

Justification does leave us as people who are still fully human, and the more honestly human we are, the more aware of our doubts we may be. The question may become, “Do I banish my doubts, call them the devil and refuse to examine them, or do I accept my doubts as part of the paradox of my human experience, and realize that faith may exist right alongside such feelings and questions, as Mark 9:24 suggests?”

This is my own experience. I cannot remove my doubts, but I cannot erase my faith. At every level, these two experiences exist together, convincing me that I am, indeed and exactly, the kind of contradiction that Luther believed all Christians were at the center: both righteous and sinful simultaneously. (Simul justus et peccator.) While these two experiences are at war over the most basic assumptions of my life, they actually blend together into a single experience that is what one person called “the awesomeness of being human.”

At a fundamental level, I cannot get past the fact that the universe exists, and it is completely unnecessary. That there is something rather than nothing overwhelms my doubts daily. No matter how many times the brevity and meaninglessness of human life plunges me into despair, I look at the world around me, at the Hubble photos, at the beauty of the mountains or of my children, and cannot explain why these things should exist, could exist, or have any possibility of existing if some being did not call all this into existence, and sustain this universe out of pure pleasure. It is not the God of deism or of Islam or Aristotle that explains this. It is the God of Colossians 1:16 For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities–all things were created through him and for him. For him. There is no other explanation, no matter how contrary it all seems to the life I may experience today.

My doubts exist alongside my appetite for God. I believe no one has put forward a more cogent and persuasive critique of theism than Sigmund Freud. Freud’s contention that human beings create a God in the sky out of their longings for a perfect father and their fear of death has the virtue of common sense and realism. As a Christian, I do not doubt that vast tracts of human religiosity can be explained by Freud’s analysis. Yet, Freud is wrong. The Biblical God is not wishful thinking, but the center of the spiritual “appetite” of human beings. Billions of human beings would prefer no God exist. Billions of human beings would like to make God in the image of Santa or Oprah. Yet, Christianity, Judaism (and even Islam) persistently put forward a God who is terrifying to who we are. A just, holy God of judgment. A God of heaven and hell. Not the God of the wishful thinkers, but the God who is a consuming fire.

And it is this God that we long to know. This God who repulses us and damns us. This God who demands the purity of thought and action. A God who demands that we love Him with all that we are and love our fellow persons as His creations. It is this God that we long to know in intimacy. It is this God we long to be accepted by, to trust and to praise. This God is the source of all the notions of beauty, truth and goodness that we find in this universe. C.S. Lewis said that appetite could not prove the existence of food, but I don’t think that speaks for the experience of the starving person.

I cannot explain my longing to know God. Talking about it is like undressing in front a crowd. I am not embarrassed that I avoid the topic. But I know to what extent it is a part of my deepest identity. As Augustine said, I have no doubt that I was made for God and my heart is restless till I find my rest in Him. I am persuaded that my longing for human happiness is the echo of my creation in the image of God. I believe my doubts are what it means to be told I cannot go back to Eden, but must go forward to the New Jerusalem.

My doubts about the Bible are profound, but my faith in the Bible is persistent. I know all the apologetic schemes for “proving” the Bible. They persuade me a bit here and there, but they fall far short of answering my worst doubts about whether a God that exists has communicated to me in words that I can understand and depend on. What ultimately persuades me that the Bible is, indeed, such a communication are two things. First, the truthfulness of the Bible in describing who and what I am is convincing. There is the glory of being made in the image of God contrasted with the rebellion and evil of my depravity. The shadow and the light within our souls. The Christian view of humanity is the only one that makes sense of my experience. The longer I live, the more the scriptures describe me accurately. This feeds my faith that scripture is also describing what I cannot see behind me and ahead of me in the journey of life. The Bible is not, as a whole, a book that would be created by persons like me. It is simply too truthful. It is not a fairy tale or a myth. It is autobiography of the most surprising kind.

Ultimately, I am persuaded of the truth of the Bible by its presentation of Jesus. I cannot explain or unpack this reasoning, for it comes down to an encounter with a person. Those who are Christians know well what I mean. You know what it is like to see no evidence of God in the world, in the church or in the mangled mess of your own heart, yet to be drawn powerfully after the Jesus of the scriptures. You know what it is like for Christians to act completely contrary to anything resembling Jesus, and to be sickened by their mistreatment of people in the name of God, yet to know that you cannot abandon Jesus himself as flawed, because you know the resemblance between Jesus and those who claim to follow Him is superficial at best.

The portrait of Jesus in the four Gospels towers above the paltry whinings of modernists, the thrown pebbles of critics and the repeated foibles of a scandalous church. Jesus is not the creation of any person or any tradition. He alone, of all the versions of a human soul, radiates the undoubtable evidence of “God with us” that other spiritual leaders only hint at. Jesus alone defies categorization and trivialization. He towers over history, culture and the human heart. This is no portrait of human longing or an exercise in wishful thinking about what we might become. This Jesus is, as John said, the Word made flesh.

I am persuaded that something happened that Christians call the resurrection, an event so galvanizing and transforming that its aftershocks continue to reverberate across history. Unlike any other person on planet earth, Jesus exerts a continuing and growing influence over individual human lives. The transforming, liberating, revolutionary power of Jesus breaks into the mundane of human history in a way that cannot be compared to Buddha or Mohammed’s insights into reality or inspirational example. Throughout the world, the Spirit of Jesus creates life and hope in a world where philosophy and technology have explained all the questions and made irrelevant all the answers.

There is simply no one like Jesus. And all the lofty things that might be said about him cannot begin to explain why one doubting soul will repeatedly choose to place his life’s hope of meaning in a person that lived two thousand years ago; a person who communicates unconditional love through his brutal death on a cross. Jesus is, ultimately, a mystery. We can point to him, and point to his cross, but each person must walk to that cross alone and choose whether this is a meaningless, pointless execution, or God saving the very world that despises Him.

What I believe Luther recovered was the stunning truth that God saves doubters who believe. Jesus chides Peter for doubting when he sinks on the sea, but the scripture also tells us at the close of the Gospel of Matthew, Now the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain to which Jesus had directed them. And when they saw him they worshiped him, but some doubted. I have returned to this verse many times and thought about the meaning of its inclusion in the Gospel. Men who had seen miracles. Men who had spent days, even years, with Jesus. Men who had been with the resurrected Christ. Men who had personally experienced the power of God in their own hands and words.

These men doubted, even in the presence of the resurrected Christ; and these men believed and died for their faith, having turned the world upside down. Nothing could banish, once and for all, from their experience the possibility that they were wrong and that it all meant nothing but delusion and deception. For this Jesus did not condemn them, but commissioned them to be His Church, and to preach the announcement of the Kingdom to the world. I doubt if they ever stopped doubting. I also am quite sure they never stopped believing.

On that point, I return to a promise that belief itself, in this barren world of ours, is a miracle of God’s own creation. The seed of faith is planted by the very God that we reject in our disbelief. This is part of His gracious dealings with those He has made for Himself, and is surely among the greatest mysteries. Yet, for those who believe–and still doubt–it contains a hope. And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ. (Philippians 1:6) If faith is the work of God in the life of those who believe, it exists and triumphs, in spite of the doubts that continue throughout our human journey.

Because of this, we can be honest about our doubts and be grateful and unashamed of our faith. Perhaps among Christians who are unafraid to say that they sometimes tremble in uncertainty, there will grow a more beautiful and authentic faith. Let the wheat and tares grow together, Jesus said, until the day of judgment. So our belief and our worst fears grow together, until the time when God Himself harvests the faith that He has planted.

68 thoughts on “iMonk Classic: I Have My Doubts

  1. Catholics had to choose between three equally supported claimants to the papacy at the time of the Western Schism (1378-1417).

    What a high school history teacher of mine called “Three Popes telling each other to go to Hell — Literally!”


  2. I found myself amen-ing much of this as I read along. Such depth that you don’t find often in today’s evangelical church. Evangelical faith frequently produces a simple child-like faith that can’t withstand adult troubles. That’s what happened to me. I never doubted God’s existence, but I would think that if God is good, then God’s definition of good and my definition are very, very different. That’s a very dark place to be in. I’m on the other side of it now, and I love how how Mike pointed out that it’s natural for doubts to exist side by side with faith.


  3. These are the Christians who practice appearance-based Christianity: you should always appear to be holy and have your act together. If you don’t, you’re not playing by the rules and could even be, get this, a sinner! (gasp, shock, horror).

    Watch two of these people together. They automatically try to out-holy one another.


  4. You cannot stand outside a hermetically-closed system without making a philosophical, metaphysical statement.


  5. Fair enough. But remember that when you’re deciding, or asserting, what are the true boundaries of Christian faith.


  6. Or, as D.T. Suzuki, the renowned Japanese scholar of Zen Buddhism, affirmed: zero = infinity, and infinity = zero.


  7. I know you’ve been drinking modernist beer, but I have to tell you that your assertion is self-refuting. If truth about Jesus is not able to be written down, then your proposition is not saying anything about Jesus.


  8. Truth certainly is more complex than that; I can’t argue with you there. That’s why I intend to do my best to continue to rely on God’s grace rather than my own ability to apprehend truth.


  9. And I’d say that winning or losing is not necessarily proof of orthodoxy OR heresy. Truth is much more complex than that. There is a false narrative out there that says Orthodoxy wins while Heresy loses, and Orthodoxy is only ‘Orthodoxy’ by virtue of victory. I think this is much too simplistic and smacks of hyper-modernity (aka post-modernity in which all power/hierarchy=violence).


  10. I’m trying to say that if they violently and hideously squelched the heretics they weren’t truly orthodox. I know, I know: ‘no true Scotsman’, but still…


  11. You’ve caught me in my own confusion.

    My unformed thesis is that Luther steered the western church (which had gone awry) to the east, whether inadvertently or not. Luther at times views the fathers favorably. Some of the 2nd gen Lutherans were certainly patristics-philes.

    Take it easy on me, Robert. I try to avoid this much self-disclosure, but I’ve had a couple of drinks.


  12. I cannot get past the fact that the universe exists, and it is completely unnecessary. That there is something rather than nothing overwhelms my doubts daily.

    I recommend Stephen Hawking’s The Grand Design and Lawrence Krauss’s A Universe from Nothing, which explain how modern physics has pretty much disposed of the “why is there something rather than nothing” problem. Unfortunately the explanation is counter-intuitive and hard to summarize, but if you have even a basic grasp of quantum physics (and my own is very elementary), you’ll be able to follow it as you’re reading it. As Hawking himself explains at one point, current physics does not prove that no god exists, but it does prove that a god is not necessary to explain the existence of the universe.


  13. Certainly the hands of the heretics were not clean of blood. Heretics and orthodox fought with equally hideous weapons. But the orthodox, after all, did win, and ruled ruthlessly for the better part of a millennium.


  14. Now I will admit that I’m thoroughly confused. Was not Luther in large part responsible for the reformation(s) that you decry as leading to the modern reality of near-endless choice?


  15. You mean the heretics who got Athanasius exiled multiple times, who had the ear of the emperor. Musta been real hard to be so damn privileged.


  16. Wut? No, groace. No, the true inheritor of the western Church is Lutheranism. Although, sola scriptura…meh.


  17. It must have been quite a disorientating choice when Roman Catholics had to choose between three equally supported claimants to the papacy at the time of the Western Schism (1378-1417). This had nothing do with the reformation(s), but with the fact that, for individuals, what exactly constitutes surrendering to the church cannot be separated from personal decision.


  18. If you’re referring to the Roman Catholic Church as the Church of the apostles, they would not accept my surrender, since I’m married to a previously married and divorced wife. No room at the inn.


  19. There was a time when bucking orthodoxy took courage. Ask the heretics around the time of Saint Athanasius, and for more than a millennium after his death. For a long time, the state did the church’s dirty work for it, which included torturing and executing heretics. Thank God this is no longer the case, and choice in religious matters is not a punishable offense.


  20. There is another meaning to “demand” which has nothing to do with threats or coercion or “love me or I will hurt you”.
    Questions demand answers.
    Desperate times demand desperate measures.
    The hungry stomach demands food.
    We seek a God who “demands” love because we seek a God whom to experience truly is to be helpless to do anything but love.
    That is how I read “demand” in the above, anyway.


  21. P.S.
    for those of us who are really older, watching Trumpism ‘happen’ to our homeland is like watching a beloved friend get sick and suffer . . . . it’s really hard. My husband and I both know that our country will not recover from this trouble during our lifetime. But there is in its DNA a spirit that I think will some day prevail. Someday. 🙂


  22. The Road Home

    Tell me, where is the road I can call my own,
    That I left, that I lost, So long ago?

    All these years I have wandered, Oh, when will I know
    There’s a way, there’s a road That will lead me home?

    After wind, after rain, When the dark is done.
    As I wake from a dream In the gold of day,
    Through the air there’s a calling From far away,
    There’s a voice I can hear That will lead me home.

    Rise up, follow me,
    Come away, is the call,
    With the love in your heart
    As the only song;

    There is no such beauty
    As where you belong:

    Rise up, follow me,
    I will lead you home.”

    (Steven Paulus)


  23. Susan,
    if we are too wordy in our comment re: Trumpism, please know that it is very difficult to live in its midst and not react in some way . . .
    I just hope that when the nightmare is over, we can return to some kind of unity in our land that has integrity and is honorable.

    For now, please forgive us our rantings and fears and outbursts . . . . the only hope I have is that we survive and the world is not harmed by the negativity and division we are enduring in our land here. Pray for us, Susan. Please.


  24. Michael was a gift we could not keep. But for a while, he wrote and his work is remembered as is his memory. For those of us who couldn’t ‘put words on stuff’, someone like Michael is special and we know it. He is missed. Thank goodness for Chaplain Mike who keeps this blog going in Michael’s memory. It is a blessing for us, yes.


  25. It’s a good point, and modernity may well be the Babylon into which we’ve been exiled: simultaneously God’s enemy and his judgment. Certainly it is a heresy and distortion of Christianity, dredging up many of the ancient foes: gnosticism chief among them. Capitulation is not the answer though.

    And you’re right about the reality of near-endless choice, a consequence of the reformation(s). This isn’t freedom though; it is quite clearly slavery—the slavery of individual self-construction in which we find ourselves alone in the midst of a watery chaos, a post-evangelical wilderness, if you will.

    The beauty of surrendering to the Church of the apostles is the true freedom that comes from giving up all the pet-projects we have for ushering the Church into a new age, making sure she is on the right side of history. The *woke* question is whether or not history is on the right side of her.


  26. Concerning the matter of human agency in religious identification: Whether you like it or not, Mule chose to leave his previous ecclesial community and become a member of the ecclesial community to which he now belongs. Just as he chose to join it, he may at any time, for good or bad reasons, choose to leave it and join, or not join, another, whether you like it or not. The same is true for you. That is just the character of denominationalism, which is the multifaceted and frequently morphing institutional form the church must live with after the failure of Constantinianism. Any attempt to reconstitute Constantinianism will result in nothing but a demonic parody of the historic church, as is happening in Russia right now.


  27. The church is not only in revolt against modernity; modernity has partly been born out of the church’s failures, and so the church is disciplined by its existence within modernity. My mythic vision, such as it is, imagines the church pulled along by modernism/postmodernism as part of its discipline, its humiliation, which has resulted from its failures, but this is only its, or one of its, penultimate ends. That Jesus Christ is the telos, the ultimate end, of all things I take for granted.


  28. Thanks, Susan. It’s a scary world out there, and it can often lead to despair. But hope is not as far from despair as the devil wants us to think. Nor faith from doubt, as we see from Spencer.


  29. It’s not too courageous to buck orthodoxy (if it truly be orthodoxy). Bucking heresy, however, is terrifying; just ask Saint Athanasius.


  30. Wrong.

    While the Church may not remain unaffected by modernity (if only in revolt against it), she is drawn ultimately, like the cosmos, by the End of all things. The mythic vision you cast is myopic indeed.


  31. Wow, what a wonderful, earnest , heartfelt and loving message that speaks to me in a very uplifting way. A lot of wisdom, thought and love is in this message. I always told my children that a mustard seed is very very small, that is why it is in the story but just a mustard size faith is sufficient and it is okay to doubt.
    I will just read this message again and try to retain its beauty of truth and honesty that people of faith can identify with and find comforting. It would take a lot of study, soul searching and mediation to get what Spencer has distilled in this message. Another thing to thank God for.


  32. My first comment was tangential, and actually beside the point. So let me try again.

    As safe as it may be to express religious doubt on this board, it is not safe for any of us in the depths of our souls to do so. We want religious certainty, and when we feel doubt, as many of us often do, it shakes us to the core. What Michael is addressing here is not how doubt plays out in society and church, including how much courage it takes to buck orthodoxies (whether secular or religious) with our doubts in the institutions that hold to them, but how it plays out in our souls, how we condemn ourselves for it, how we doubt the goodness of God and ourselves because of it, and how it can cripple us. His intent is to speak a pastoral word of comfort and assurance, based on his own experience of these things, to those who read iMonk, because he cares about them and their situation. To interpret this as though we should measure the extent of our courage against Michael’s is to take a tack completely foreign to his fundamentally pastoral purpose. You want us to judge ourselves against him; Michael is telling us to “Fear not”.


  33. Ironically, the expressions of your doubts about the “dogmas of egalitarianism and the direction of societal progress towards greater personal autonomy” take for granted the platform which they provide for you to express them. You may belong to an old church, but it is an old church that can’t help but be shaped and altered, even against its will, by the social milieu in which it finds itself. It is an old church, but it is headed in the direction that the current of modernism/postmodernism pulls it; it’s an old church, but here in the U.S. it’s another denomination, and may disappear if enough people choose, for reasons rooted in personal autonomy, to leave it, the way you chose to leave your previous ecclesial location(s).


  34. I’d hardly call your rejoinders a “ripple”. 😉 And if I do see an outbreak of real anti-Nicean heresy here, I’ll speak up. But that’s not where our real problems today lie. They lie in they way too many modern Christian traditions have become blinded to the time-honored patterns of sin and discrimination in their life and practice, and consider any criticism of them to be atracks on “foundational dogmas of the Christian faith”. If anything, they are the ones most captive to individualism and egalitarianism (at least for their tribe).


  35. Doubts expressed about the foundational dogmas of the Christian faith are ubiquitious and not particularly dangerous. They barely raise a ripple on this board.

    Doubts expressed about the foundational dogmas of egalitarianism and the direction of societal progress towards greater personal autonomy will convulse this board for days.

    We sometimes fail to realize just how courageous Michael was based on his milieu; a teacher at a fundamentalist school expressing doubts about fundamentalism was gutsy indeed. This place is one of the few places I can share my deepest beliefs, and I can drive others to drink. If I did it at the University or at my job, THAT would be courageous.


  36. Hang in there, Susan. I don’t comment on your posts often, but I know you’ve been going through some tough times.


  37. Yep, still miss Michael and his honesty, too.

    Yeah, not sure about the “demand” word. Clearly, once we know what Christ has done for us, we’re to show that through our “works,” but not sure how “demanding” that is. Our walk with him is to be enjoyed, not endured.


  38. When I meet Christians whose Christian experience is apparently so full of divine revelation and miraculous evidence that they are beyond doubts…

    Especially when they Count Coup on you in Righteous One-Upmanship:
    “O Ye Of Little FAITH — Tsk, Tsk.”


  39. Still miss Michael. Memory eternal.

    His honesty is what drew me and kept me coming back to this site. This is one of his best. I only have one quibble, and that is I don’t believe God “demands” anything from us. Looking at Jesus, I believe that God calls us toward what it means to be fully human.



  40. You gotta walk that lonesome valley,
    You gotta walk it by yourself,
    Nobody here can walk it for you,
    You gotta walk it by yourself.
    Woody Guthrie


  41. Yesterday, a very old gentleman at my husband’s nursing home woke from his sleep in an armchair and asked “Am I dead yet?” A delicious hot lunch and dessert roused his attention to the present.
    He can’t feed himself but the nursing staff plied him with morsels.
    I guess a lot of us will follow his path.
    Having heard this my prayer for myself is ‘not yet’.



  42. Michael wrote such great words. We are privileged to share them again today.
    We are blessed that Chaplain Mike follows his tradition.
    May we respect the path shown to us by their standards.

    A small comment to William of Lyons,

    Thank you for your reflections to me this week.
    I live in a sheltered back water of Australia. A lot of the world we view from a distance and gasp in horror at the pronouncements of Trump. I am not without a good education and theological study. I just choose to keep my thoughts quiet.
    So many of our IMonkers do so well in examining the politics and theology to and fro. I leave it to them. I view it with interest and learn from their writing on this site.
    We are not without opinions but do not feel the same urgency, as our US IMonkers feel to express our distaste at the running of their country.

    I may be old but my adult children and grandchildren keep me young and well informed.

    I had a dark day yesterday so will conclude with my haiku for today.
    Bless you,

    dark waters surround
    swimming to the bright surface
    tiny globes of light


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