178 thoughts on “The IM Saturday Monks Brunch: November 7, 2020

  1. The only case they seem to have won so far allowed Republican monitors to stand six feet away from the actual vote counters, instead of ten feet, the better to check for nefarious doings–of which there have been none. No effect on the vote count at all.

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  2. From his speech tonight, future hostility between Democrats and Republicans won’t be because Joe Biden failed to make overtures to people who didn’t vote for him, and refused to govern as president of all Americans. He said that he intended to govern for the benefit of everybody, loud and clear. I hope he succeeds.

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  3. His tax cheating along has cost the US Tax payer over $100 million. Maybe 10 times that. How much do we let slide?

    And I’m fulling on the side of not arresting ex presidents due to the precedent it would set.

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  4. Ask the French and Italians.

    Heck. Talk to the British. They’ll ask you to hold their beer while they talk about Brexit.

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  5. It’s indisputable that the Republican party is over 50% Trumpian, but it’s certainly not 100%. And, there are a number of Republican politicians who at least want to be able to see themselves as people of character and morality, even if they have blind spots where they fall short of that ideal.

    And, finding those people in the Republican party who *are* sane and moral and reaching out to them is a good idea not only because it can heal some of our divisions, but because it would rob the Trumpians of some of their power.

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  6. Our Founders distrusted the mob. They provided checks and balances not just within the government but without. A bulwark against mass confusion. After all we are a constitutional republic, not a democracy.

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  7. I actually agree with you here. And aside from the immediate or near term negative repercussions, it would set a bad precedent for reviving a humane political culture in this country.

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  8. Imagine all the books that will come out of the Trump administration. Imagine all the wild shenanigans we haven’t even heard about yet.

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  9. Folks who think that our politics is worse now than it’s ever been would do well to study the 19th century.

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  10. He is notorious for not paying. But sometimes lawyers will take a high profile case for publicity, even if payment is in question.

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  11. When your crack team of lawyers is led by Rudy “Renfield” Giuliani and Jay “Home School” Sekulow, how can you lose?

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  12. It’s not that a “good” law firm won’t take a bad case. But they will insist that they get paid.

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  13. I’ve read that Trump does not have a great legal team representing him in this. I bet the good law firms and lawyers don’t want to touch this.

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  14. So far, during the vote counting, his legal team has almost completely struck out in court. There was a dramatic order from Alito to segregate ballots that had already been segregated by PA election officials, which had zero effect on the outcome of the count. All they can do is go over the same ground this week, but the count is in; unless they have substantial evidence of widespread fraud in multiple states that they can present to the courts, they will go nowhere with their efforts. But they will whip up the base, and let’s pray that doesn’t lead to violence.

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  15. I think either way this isn’t going to go away anytime soon. I know most of us wish we could move on, but in our society seems like we can’t let go and accept defeat graciously.

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  16. I hope they have the good sense not to do it. Talk about creating further division and possible violence in this country. There are a lot of people who believe Hillary, Obama, Biden, Comey, etc. have gotten away with murder. On top of that they also now believe an election has been stolen. If you then add insult to injury by arresting the man they believed should be president you are asking for trouble. The best thing the media and the left can do with Trump is the thing they should have been doing since 2015; ignore him.

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  17. Alito was showboating. PA Election officials had already segregated the late-coming ballots that his order pertained to, so it made no difference to the vote tally.

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  18. Which actually happened on the state level in 19th Century Pennsylvania, i.e. The Buckshot War. Here’s how it was told to me (in an illustrated form from “Pennsylvania Profiles”):

    The 1838 elections went against the Abolitionist Anti-Masonic Party, so they printed up their OWN slate of Official Election Results for in the State Legislature – enough to flip the party balance in their favor. Come the day of “transition of power”, TWO sets of State Assemblymen showed up and The Fight Was On!

    After the three Abolitonist Anti-Masonic State Senators bedhind the scheme had to dive out a window to escape the lynch mob, the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania ended up with TWO State Legislatures who did not acknowledge each other. AND riots in and around the Capitol itself.

    Governor called for help from the Feds.
    Feds refused, said this was state-level, handle it there.
    Governor mobilizes state militia, no ammunition (the Feds had it) so they had to scrounge buckshot loads. Plus, only a handful of “partially sober” militiamen showed up to enforce the Governor’s Martial Law, so things died down over the next two weeks.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckshot_War

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  19. If you don’t get the Senate now in the run offs, I have doubts you will get it in two years. In fact, I expect the opposite, with Republicans gaining in the Senate and possible taking the House. Fair or not, when things go wrong people tend to blame the party in the White House. And quite frankly, I don’t expect a Biden administration to be good for the economy, and that is still the true number one issue for a lot of people.

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  20. Which is now the latest chapter in the Book of Trump, Inerrant SCRIPTURE for all the Patriot Churches.

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  21. I had a dream last night. Usually I don’t remember my dreams and when I do, they are not to interesting. But last night! I dreamt there were a bunch of people milling around outside, hundreds of average people. Among them were a few well-dressed politicians, all in suits of various shades of blue, and all with red ties, some plain, others striped in different patterns. The suits were immaculate, well-tailored of the finest material and sharp as a tack. Each politician had the same lapel pin, but I could not make out the pattern. In contrast all the other people were in casual dress.

    But the politicians, each had a shiny porcelain toilet where their head should have been. The lid, when it was closed, made an ironic smile but usually it was not closed. The lid moved like lips and each was saying “Feed Me, Feed Me.” On occasion someone would raise on of the lids and put something of value in: a wad of cash, food, jewelry… or, whatever. When that happened, the politician would raise his arm and flush himself.

    I’m not sure what this all means but I’m pretty sure it is a lot more significant than some of the recent “prophecies” that have been recently released. Make of it what you will. 🙂

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  22. It’s the price we pay for throwing DT out of office and it’s worth every worthless comment he makes.

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  23. We’ll have another crack at the Senate in 2022, so the last two years of the Biden administration may be more productive than the first two, in terms of things that Democrats would like to see changed. Or maybe some Republican Senators will see the light, now that Trump isn’t around ti intimidate them.

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  24. I’m relieved but not particularly hopeful, except that we might now have actual public health policy and personnel and testing enough to start to slow down the C-virus. An RNA strand is neither Democrat nor Republican; so many people forget that, or are willfully ignorant. But the USA is still an oligarchy that enacts policy overall more favorable to the lobbyists and special interests – of all kinds – than to the people of this country.

    However, I am ecstatic that we will not have a tweeting president. Yeah, DT will still tweet, but hopefully he will go off and do something like have a TV show that I don’t have to watch. Ever. Somebody I read on the interwebz this week wrote that he’s just a little boy who is looking for affirmation and love from people. I get that. Problematic is that sometimes such people leave chaos in their wake, which he has certainly done – he created his own very stinky swamp. He is all the more pitiable because of that.

    Presidents don’t make immigration laws. Congress has been kicking that can down the road for decades. It’s time they did something about it. I’m going to write my representative and senator and lean hard, for all the good that will do. Speaking of which, the Senate might squeak out of Republican control. There’s going to be a run-off in Georgia, and someone will have to replace Harris in California.

    Dana

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  25. “Alpha male” behavior seems to be pretty much an artifact of the fact that the wolves that were being studied were captive wolves. I wonder how well that applies to people? Do people in similar situations, whether physical or mental, develop similar behaviors?

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  26. After last night’s order from Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito requiring Pennsylvania officials to segregate ballots received after 8:00 PM on Election Day, I’m not so sure they’re as unwilling as you say. I could be wrong, but I still don’t see the election as a done deal. Don’t be surprised if members of the media start asking the “prophets” in the next few days if they’ve got any extra towels as they might have to do some egg-wiping of their own.

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  27. Before or after he gets out of prison? There are State Attorneys General pretty much waiting outside the White House walls for a chance to take Trump into custody.

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  28. 1. No. Fortunately, it’s not necessary.

    2. Certainly not. I wouldn’t put it past them to just pack up and leave, and let the new administration figure out what they were doing.

    3. I doubt it. He needs to get out of the country before Letitia James (NY AG) can catch him.

    4. I’m thinking maybe he’ll work a deal with Pence to pardon him, if Trump resigns and lets Pence be president for a month or so. But that’s only for Federal crimes. For State crimes, see #3, above.

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  29. I think you are right that the courts want no part of this, but if poll watchers were denied access as alleged, and ballots aren’t allowed to be recounted with the appropriate watchers in place, how would you find evidence?

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  30. And the more that definition of humanity broadens, the messier democracy gets. We can deal with it.

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  31. I hope those who are shaken by the prevalence of Trump cultists in the GOP can form the nucleus of a more moderate political party, willing to work with Democrats for the good of the country. We need two political parties in this country, but we can’t do what needs to be done when one of them is the Cult of Trump. Those folks need to go back to the fringes of politics, once again, and let those who are capable of more than hate govern.

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  32. Agreed. I don’t think the Supreme Court wants any part of this. Numerous lawsuits have already been dismissed on the basis of lack of evidence. But we all know the REAL evidence lies (pun in tended) in all the social media videos, memes photos, conspiracies, etc….I think its all a matter of “my guy can’t do wrong, and the other guy can’t do right”.

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  33. Nobody forces people to believe randos on FB.

    Remember the Tide Pod Challenge?
    We had to resort to Social Media Influencers to tell people NOT TO EAT LAUNDRY DETERGENT!
    “BUT IT WAS ON FACEBOOK!”

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  34. A number of self-proclaimed “prophets” are presently wiping egg off their respective faces after predicting the president would be re-elected.

    Should have listened to the Bookies instead.
    Betting Pools actually had the most accurate predictions of the election.

    As for these Prophets(TM), they’ll just retrench like when their Date for the Rapture comes and goes. Again and Again and Again. The Righteous Can NEVER Admit They Were Wrong.

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  35. And in 2024, they will once more call for The Strong Man. And the Strong Man will come.

    “And there never was another election, of course.”
    — Robert Heinlein, talking about the Election of REVEREND Nehemiah Scudder to POTUS in 2012
    (the one period of his Future History which he never wanted to or did ever write)

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  36. Guys like Dan and Seneca are all about The Guy At The Top – if it’s a guy they like, he (almost always a ‘he’) can do no wrong

    Like Burro’s talking about the ukase of the Caesars and Tsars.
    Like Court Evangelicals laying on hands and Prophesying over Trump.
    Christians flock to Dictators who promise what they want like Harley Quinn to her Joker.

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  37. He even thinks Jesus was the Alpha and Omega of Alpha Males!

    i.e. a Cosmic Donald Trump! Or Cosmic Mark Driscoll! So Manly He Makes a Woman Out of Men!

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  38. Even “A cautious, caretaker administration” (Hunter Thompson’s description of Gerald Ford’s Presidency) would be an improvement over the four years of Reality Show Drama-Rama we’ve had to endure.

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  39. With every Real Manly Man trying to claw his way up to be the One Alpha Male At The Top.
    Power Struggle Without End, Amen.

    “I’M KING OF EVERYTHING I SEE!” — Yertle the Turle

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  40. But that is The Party Line, MAGA Christian.
    And doubleplusbellyfeeling that Party Line is the latest Litmus Test of your Salvation.

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  41. And to four out of five American Evangelicals, He Is LOOOOOORD, The REAL Second Coming of Christ.

    Like Turbo-Jesus of Left Behind (and other Christian Apocalyptic), He is a God of Wrath one temper tantrum away from burning the world to ashes and casting all except his Court Favorites/Base into Eternal Hell.

    Like Pious Piper’s God, His only reason for existence is Glorifying Himself. By Any Means Necessary.

    Always Sin-Sniffing for any hint of Disloyalty or Rebellion.

    No wonder Christians fought to be first in line to Take His Mark. They have been catechized with a God and Christ who acts just like a Cosmic Donald Trump, so when “the real thing” came along in 2016…

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  42. “PROCLAIM HIM A GOD, DEMOSTHENSES! PROCLAIM HIM A GOD!!!
    (The Christians already have…)

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  43. They have DIFFERENT flaws, which to someone with a different system don’t look like flaws at all.

    I have said the same things about American health insurance vs French or British-style NHS. Yes, “Socialized Medicine” has its flaws, but right now they’re less messed up than our system.

    You know, we almost had Single-Payer NHS-style health insurance in the USA; back in the Sixties there was an across-the-aisle consensus for it that came real close to getting there but foundered because some of its advocates were pushing instead for a PERFECT system instead of one that had a REAL chance of being implemented. The realistic plan wasn’t PERFECT in Every Way, so a critical amount of advocates bailed on it in all Righteousness (much like a Chrisitanese Boycott) and the attempt failed.

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  44. i.e. “HAIL TRUMP!!! HAIL VICTORY!!!”

    And just like Hutu and Tutsi in Rwanda, the losers in the last go-round sharpen their Long Knives for the next. Sharpening, sharpening, sharrpening, living in a fantasy of what they will do with them wihen THEY win. Rwanda’s been going through this on a two-generation cycle for some time.

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  45. President Trump’s statement this afternoon, from his golf course in Virginia:

    We all know why Joe Biden is rushing to falsely pose as the winner, and why his media allies are trying so hard to help him: they don’t want the truth to be exposed. The simple fact is this election is far from over. Joe Biden has not been certified as the winner of any states, let alone any of the highly contested states headed for mandatory recounts, or states where our campaign has valid and legitimate legal challenges that could determine the ultimate victor. In Pennsylvania, for example, our legal observers were not permitted meaningful access to watch the counting process. Legal votes decide who is president, not the news media.

    Beginning Monday, our campaign will start prosecuting our case in court to ensure election laws are fully upheld and the rightful winner is seated. The American People are entitled to an honest election: that means counting all legal ballots, and not counting any illegal ballots. This is the only way to ensure the public has full confidence in our election. It remains shocking that the Biden campaign refuses to agree with this basic principle and wants ballots counted even if they are fraudulent, manufactured, or cast by ineligible or deceased voters. Only a party engaged in wrongdoing would unlawfully keep observers out of the count room – and then fight in court to block their access.

    So what is Biden hiding? I will not rest until the American People have the honest vote count they deserve and that Democracy demands.

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  46. +1 to ChrisS, and +1 to Eeyore.

    I feel like there’s still a battle being waged, and somewhere close, but maybe it has missed my neighborhood. Is this what war is like: “Please, if there’s a battle, let it be three miles down the road!”

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  47. The metrics on this are pretty clear – Biden has enough of a lead in OA to avoid an automatic recount, and the ballots remaining are from heavily Democratic regions and groups. Is it *logically possible* that they could go Trump? Yes, but the odds against it are insurmountable. Georgia and Arizona could revert back to Trump and it wouldn’t matter – like Mike said yesterday, PA decided it.

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  48. It’s going to be a while before it is over. I can only imagine the response if the courts do decide a bunch of ballots are illegitimate and give Trump the win. But I don’t expect that to happen.

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  49. So far, the news is good – a couple of Penn Republicans brought up the idea of sending their own electors overagainst the popular vote electors, and got shut down hard by state leadership.

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  50. The problem is, those moderate Republicans represent nobody but themselves. The Republican base is still overwhelminigly Trumpian, Andi don’t think they’re interested in bipartisanship.

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  51. I doubt it. It’s not a question of “hanging chads” this time, but of supposed nationwide intentional rigging of the election involving thousands of people, if not hundreds of thousands. Multiple states would have to be investigated and it would take a long time, probably months or even years. I don’t see it happening.

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  52. So has the Washington Post, but such projections are as premature as President Trump’s claim of victory early Wednesday morning. I don’t think this is going to be over for a while, and I wouldn’t be surprised if the Supreme Court ultimately settles this race as it did in 2000.

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  53. I’m a lifelong Democrat and pretty leftward-leaning, but I *really* hope Biden adds a few moderate Republicans to his cabinet or other key positions in his administration. That would go a long way toward signalling the country that working across the aisle can still be possible.

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  54. –> “But the pandemic?
    Joe’s gonna fix that? Hmm we’ll see.”

    I don’t know of a single person who thinks Biden fixes the Pandemic, because it isn’t POLITICAL!!! I will tell you one thing for sure, though: it’s not gonna “just go away” after the election, like most Trump supporters have claimed it would.

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  55. That makes me happy, too – in the same way someone would be happy that a bullet just whizzed past their head, and missed. Yes, I’m happy to be alive, but there’s still someone out there shooting at us.

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  56. Now, the states must certify their election results, select their slate of electors — hopefully using only the criteria of the popular vote! — and the electors be faithful in voting in December. We won’t even mention what the Wild Card in the White House must or will do to make or thwart a peaceful transition of power; we have a ways to go before we get there.

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  57. Fake Facebook accounts isnt the same as tampering with voting machines. Nobody forces people to believe randos on FB. If the Russians can con people into thinking Trump was a great idea, the fault lies more with the people than the Russians. (And I say this as someone who has a VERY low opinion of Russians in general.)

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  58. Yes, and it’s worrisome, but it is not the result of government action. It’s a private organization that will use the power of boycott. There’s no way to avoid this happening without setting aside the power of individuals and organizations to express their political preferences through the way they spend their money.

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  59. There was no doubt on your side that Trump won, but many felt that he won because of Russian interference, and thus was not legitimate.

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  60. Some of those on the left have already started making a Trump accountability project, making a list of those who helped elect him, worked for him, and financially supported him.

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  61. The sun is rising. Life is complex and there are still troubles ahead but a little light has shown. (Warning – run on sentence) Not because a Democrat won but because, I honestly don’t know how else to characterize it, an evil man bent on his own power agenda, in an extraordinarily robust way that eclipsed that of the average slimy politician, not America’s agenda at large, has been stopped.

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  62. “Many supporters of the losing candidate are likely to consider the winning candidate to have been illegitimately elected, as has been the case for the last four years.”

    Well, there was no doubt on our side that Trump won the election. It was his character and lack of competence that were the problem.

    “It’s also an open question whether anything substantive will get done as it also appears we’re headed for another divided Congress.”

    No argument there.

    “The church will likely remain divided as well. Pro-Trump evangelicals and never-Trump evangelicals will continue to be at each other’s throats and hurling plenty of recriminations.”

    71%ish of evangelicals still chose to cast their votes for a sociopath and would-be autocrat. Don’t expect us to forget that fact, or to stop calling them out on it. The battle against Trump appears to be coming to an end. The battle against the second coming of the German Church is just getting warmed up. Because 2024 is coming. Again, see the Atlantic article I linked way above.

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  63. Correction: The same party has been in control of both houses of Congress and the White House ten out of the last forty years. I forgot to add the first two years of the Obama administration and the first two years of the Trump administration to my calculations. Maybe I should use a calculator more often.

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  64. Regardless of the election outcome this country will remain divided, perhaps hopelessly so. Many supporters of the losing candidate are likely to consider the winning candidate to have been illegitimately elected, as has been the case for the last four years.

    It’s also an open question whether anything substantive will get done as it also appears we’re headed for another divided Congress. Then again, Americans seemingly prefer divided government. The same party has simultaneously controlled the White House and both houses of Congress only six out of the last forty years.

    The church will likely remain divided as well. Pro-Trump evangelicals and never-Trump evangelicals will continue to be at each other’s throats and hurling plenty of recriminations. A number of self-proclaimed “prophets” are presently wiping egg off their respective faces after predicting the president would be re-elected. And I suppose Mr. Trump could still pull out victory from the jaws of certain defeat as he did four years ago, but the clock seems to be ticking.

    One last thought: the shortest verse in the Bible is John 11:35: “Jesus wept.” I can’t help but wonder if He feels that way about us today.

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  65. Blackadder: You see, Baldrick, in order to prevent war in Europe, two superblocs developed: us, the French and the Russians on one side, and the Germans and Austro-Hungary on the other. The idea was to have two vast opposing armies, each acting as the other’s deterrent. That way there could never be a war.

    Baldrick: But this is a sort of a war, isn’t it, sir?

    Blackadder: Yes, that’s right. You see, there was a tiny flaw in the plan.

    George: What was that, sir?

    Blackadder: IT WAS BOLLOCKS.

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  66. The major networks just called PA, and the election, for Biden. It is not the end, or the beginning of the end, but it is the end of the beginning.

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  67. If Biden tacks hard to the right, he could do it. Even Sith McConnell would chortle at his beemish boy.
    The DNC showed us they were prepared to do that in March, then again in May.
    Their giant “up yours” to the Jacobin wing of the party warmed the cockles of my heart.

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  68. If this site hadn’t been around for the past four years, I’m not sure I would’ve survived. Just sayin’.

    Thanks to Chaplain Mike, Mike Bell, Mike the Geo, and Daniel Jepsen (and any guests I might’ve missed) — and also most of my like-minded posters — for bringing some sanity and a venue to vent during the Trump presidency.

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  69. –> “No more tweets
    Well you got me there”

    You know what, if that’s the ONLY change we see, it’ll have been worth it. Trump’s biggest downfall was himself, and even his own supporters said how much they wished he would’ve just shut the eff up with his Tweetstorms.

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  70. Hope those of you with a more sanguine perspective about the future relationship of Democrats and Republicans are right.

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  71. I only give Sen’s comments a very brief glance. It is same old-same old. Dan was fully supporting Trump the other day and I guess it is Sen’s turn today. Yawn!

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  72. And Biden will have to resist those on the further Left flank of the Democratic Party who will want to treat any Republican who did not visibly oppose Trump as a war criminal not to be compromised with or tolerated.

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  73. I’m not sure how many of us are expecting him to fix anything, All I want and expect is that we will get a spirit other than Donald Trump in office.

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  74. Good insight. Trump is a destroyer. He has zero grace in him. His spirit is not a good one. And as the leader of our country for four years, he has created a nation more like him now than not. My only hope is that Biden’s spirit is closer to that of God’s, and that he begins bringing people back toward a spirit of dignity and grace.

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  75. +1.

    Atkinson is a comic genius. Mr. Bean is just one persona. The Black Adder series shows his talent at another level.

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  76. I suspect Biden will make some sort of attempt at this. But the war for control of the Republican party in the next few years will be a sight to see.

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  77. Biden is a statesman, whereas Trump is not. Biden knows how to reach across the aisle, whereas Trump hasn’t a clue and actually prefers not to as he thinks it’s a weakness.

    Those two things alone offer hope.

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  78. Our system poops out Bidens and McConnells with vigor. These folks will not willingly undermine a system that privileges them. Trump would tear it all down on a whim without a thought as to what would replace it.

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  79. The funny part is that the whole “Alpha Male” pack hierarchical concept has been pretty much abandoned by anthropologists and evolutionary biologists. It is way too simple-minded to describe the complexities of animal behavior much less that of Homo Sap.

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  80. I wouldn’t bet on that. My wife follows rights activists closely. Trump was a wake up call for them. They know if they don’t keep up the pressure, everything they’ve worked for for decades is gone. They will no go gently under that good bus.

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  81. This is maybe where the Democratic Party needs to expand its tent to include traditionalist Republicans.

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  82. It will take years to undo the damage by the Trump Regime.

    Everything at Trump touches die, including the US.

    Back in 2016, who knew that Trump would be source of “American carnage”.

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  83. You’re not the only one with reservations about a Biden presidency.

    The “asylum seekers” will pour across a newly porous border About 4% of them will be in any genuine danger in their countries
    The H1-B program will fire up again as our newly empowered silicon satraps seek slave labor for their cyberpyramids.
    The Sardaukar will be deployed again, Heaven knows where. Probably Yemen or the Horn of Africa.

    At least #MeToo got thrown under the bus. #BLM will likely be next.

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  84. I was well into my 20s before I got my license, and I got it mostly because after 9/11 my learners permit stopped being accepted as a valid state ID at airports. 🙂

    And as for rites of passage – a person becomes an adult the day they choose to view themself as an adult and act accordingly. Ironically, a lot of the things people turn to to try to “prove” their adulthood (whether that’s guns or cars or sex or anything else) are really just proof that they don’t have that internal confidence in themselves and need an external prop to lean on.

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  85. I’m afraid the biggest take-away is that the Trump-followers seem to outnumber all the other demographics in the GOP, which means that the only viable Republican strategy in the future will be to pander to them. I heard an interview last night with one of the Lincoln Project leaders, and he sounded rather hopeless and shaken when they asked him if he thought there was any future for people like him in the GOP. There will be wilderness times ahead for any Republicans who hoped to be able to see themselves as the party of moral values.

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  86. >But the pandemic?
    Joe’s gonna fix that? Hmm we’ll see.

    So you’re not one of those who believe the pandemic will just disappear after Biden’s election? You’d better talk to dan.

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  87. Yeah, Seneca calls that guy “The Alpha Male”, and has no end of admiration for him. He even thinks Jesus was the Alpha and Omega of Alpha Males! LOL!!

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  88. We’ll take the “no tweets” as a starting point and work from there. Unlike the Republican Party, there are folks among the Democrats who have a care to those issues – oh wait I forgot, they’re all godless socialist baby killers.

    Don’t you ever get tired of the “I’m always right and you’re all stupid and evil” shtick?

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  89. Guys like Dan and Seneca are all about The Guy At The Top – if it’s a guy they like, he (almost always a ‘he’) can do no wrong – and if it’s a guy they don’t like, there’s nothing good to say about him. And they impute the same attitude that they have towards leadership to us.

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  90. WITH TRUMP GONE –

    No more kids in cages
    Oh wait, that was Biden and Friends
    No more wars
    Oh wait, The Donald didn’t start any
    No more higher taxes
    Oh wait, DJT lowered your taxes.
    He brought back the Swamp
    Oh wait, he fought the swamp
    No more Quid Pro Quo
    Oh wait, that was Joe and Hunter
    No more concentration camps for his political enemies
    Oh wait, that didn’t actually happen
    Increased enemity with China
    Joe and Hunter will fix that – dryly
    He became President so he could get rich
    Oh wait, he never took a dime of what was rightfully his
    He turned over control of USA to Russia’s Putin
    Oh wait, he continued to blast Putin
    Trump was literally Hitler
    Oh wait, he did more for the Jews than anybody ever.
    But the pandemic?
    Joe’s gonna fix that? Hmm we’ll see.

    No more tweets
    Well you got me there

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  91. Since the end of the voting on November 3, we have seen Biden and Trump act in very different ways.

    What one word would you use for each man.

    Biden: Presidential

    Trump: Unhinged

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  92. Trump is (pardon the pun) constitutionally incapable of not being Too Banana. No, Trump will set up his own network, so that he could be the star.

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  93. Trump could declassify enormous amounts of classified documents just to put an immense spoke in the wheel of Biden’s presidency.

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  94. Biden has to clean up the mess that the Trump Regime has left behind.

    Like all things Trump, others must clean up the messes that he creates. Trump can only destroy things.

    Sadly, the Party of the Donald will to what ever it takes to destroy Biden since they don’t care about our nation.

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  95. I hope that Don the Con will do and join One America where his followers in the Cult of the Donald will leave Faux News. There, he can attack Fraud News for being part of the “deep state”.

    Trump will want to be worshiped by his followers.

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  96. You’re right. Murdoch might even offer Trump a job if he will bow out of the presidency without causing too much trouble.

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  97. It’s insulting to us to suggest that any of us think Joe Biden will fix even everything that Trump broke, never mind the preexisting mess. I expect that the Moscow Mitch Senate will prevent him fixing very much of what Trump has broken. Obstruction will be Mitch’s mission, and, skilled politician that he is in combination with the power he holds, he will succeed. The Grim Reaper, Supreme Leader Snoke.

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  98. I see it as a four year (very relative) reprieve before the ultimate decision between democracy and autocracy is made in 2024. Seneca, read the Atlantic article I linked above.

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  99. Murdoch, unlike Trump, is actually wealthy and actually a businessman. Murdoch has nothing to fear from Trump. Without him, Trump has no guidance and no audience.

    But yes, Murdoch is worse than Trump, the same way that a more skilled and ruthless con artist is worse than a clown on the street corner running three card Monte.

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  100. The Fifth Dimension at their best.

    Sure, Joe fixed NOTHING in his first 45 years in Government but now … He’ll fix everything.

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  101. I doubt anybody here is expecting the Age of Aquarius, just the cancelling of a tiresome and tedious reality TV show.

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  102. Dear I-monkers. If Joe is elected, and I think he will be, your hope for the Age of Aquarius to arrive with Joe’s election will be stomped by realities.

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  103. This a terrible thing to say, but I hope Trump, either in his remaining time as president or afterward, finds a way to throw Murdoch under the bus. Murdoch is worse than he is.

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  104. 1) He’ll leave the White House, but never give a verbal or written concession acknowledgment.

    2) No

    3) No. But if he does, it will only be with the intention of stealing the show and making it about himself.

    4) Yes

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  105. 1) Not in a million years. His ego couldn’t take it.

    2) No, just a question of to what extent they trash the place on the way out.

    3) Really? Show up to his becoming the Ultimate Loser?

    4) if that’s what it takes to keep himself out of jail? Sure.

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  106. Let’s assume that Biden wins the election.

    I have f

    1) Will Trump concede the election to Biden?

    2) Will the Trump Regime work to make a smooth transition for the incoming Biden Administration?

    3) Will Trump show up for Biden’s inauguration?

    4) Will Trump try to pardon himself?

    What do you think?

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  107. It’s not that they didn’t have a wide definition of democracy – they just had a narrow definition of humanity.

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  108. I was reading a story about how McConnell and Biden are shower stall buddies from a combined near-century in the Senate.
    That may work to the country’s advantage

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  109. Yeah, the next one will be more like Moscow Mitch McConnell, only younger than either Moscow Mitch or Trump. Then — watch out.

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  110. I never have even held a gun. And I’ve known folks who lived in NYC all their lives and never have had a driver’s license.

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  111. Democracy is messy.

    Indian elections are notoriously so. Despite my distaste for the current Indian President, I admire the Indians for their resolve to keep it going.

    An acquaintance’s family is high-up in the BJP. He says the choice is between ‘caste-ist as hell, but relatively clean (BJP) or egalitarian but squalidly corrupt (Congress).

    They have the same issues we do; differing states with differing rules. Like I said, I admore them.

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  112. Mr. Bean is all most Americans know Mr. Atkinson for. If you want a real education on how loquacious (and sarcastic) he can be, watch Blackadder. I especially recommend the last series, set in the trenches of WWI.

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  113. Parliamentary systems sound great from where we’re at now. But they too have their flaws. Ask the French and Italians.

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  114. I never knew Rowan Atkinson could be so loquacious, considering Mr. Bean is so quiet. But then again, Mr. Bean speaks volumes with just a glance.

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  115. I guess I wasn’t thinking about my personal experience about either voting or buying guns. Like you, I’m white and have lived in suburban areas my whole life with, so voting has never been anything but a minor inconvenience; and I’ve never even shot a gun.

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  116. The electoral system, the gun thing and the medical system are the three main reasons I’m glad to be Australian and not American.

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  117. You really think we could manage a constitutional amendment to repeal the Electoral College? I don’t see it happening, too many states benefit from keeping it.

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  118. Actually, I must admit Robert, I have never had trouble voting–which I’ve done in three states since 1972. But, I am Anglo and have always lived on the upper edge of the South.

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  119. “Your current method of democratic government sucks.”

    No argument from me. I’d much prefer a parliamentary system that encourages many parties that are forced to form coalitions and where a “no confidence” vote means a new election.

    I would also, at least, like to see the abolition of the Electoral College, a holdover from the pre-Civil War period–the EC an attempt to mollify slave holding states. The EC should have been abolished with Abolition.

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  120. Australian population; 25.5 M
    US population 331 M

    (https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/population-by-country/)

    Given that the US has a population over 10x that of Australia, that mail in ballots constituted the greatest total number and percentage of votes cast in our history, and that despite in the past year the berserk cheeto head kid in the Oval Office doing everything possible to hamstring the Postal Service, and given that each state has it’s own laws and regulations as pertain to mail in balloting–I think our system has worked pretty damn well, thank you.

    However, I grant that the US could learn much from other countries. Perhaps with a Democrat administration and a return to competency many things will improve.

    I was in eastern Australia for a month about 10 yrs ago. Thoroughly enjoyed your country and countrymen. The nearly day long jet ride is another matter…

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  121. This leopard won’t change its spots. Voting will always be hard as hell to do in this country, and getting a gun easy as fishin’.

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  122. When the US sneezes, the rest of the world catches a cold. What happens there affects us all. You’re not the only Australian who’s been glued to the telly, or the interwebz, for the last week.

    I do agree that the way the US runs its elections is pretty unimpressive. Federalism is not in and of itself to blame; Australia is also a federation and we seem to be able to manage, postal votes and all.

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  123. “Other evils there are that may come; for Sauron is himself but a servant or emissary. Yet it is not our part to master all the tides of the world, but to do what is in us for the succour of those years wherein we are set, uprooting the evil in the fields that we know, so that those who live after may have clean earth to till. What weather they shall have is not ours to rule.”

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  124. Thank you anonymous
    I just want to turn on the TV and not be assalted by Trump.
    I am so many thousand miles away from your election problems but they dominate my every waking moment.
    Trump will create instability in world politics until 20th January.
    Why does the rest of the world need to be anxious by his belligerent pronouncements.
    I was keenly interested in the results which could have been so easily obtained.
    Do us the rest of the free worlds give us a break and reorganize your electoral elections.
    You gave chosen to misdirect your US citizens with too many convoluted rules and regs.
    Give us the rest of the Democratic countries a chance to show you a better way of electing your leaders in all their capacities.
    Your current method of democratic government sucks.
    China and Russia are laughing behind their hands in glee at the mess which has been shown to us as your version of democracy.
    Watch and learn.
    Cast away your vision of your country .
    Look to the future and redevelop your commitment to your US.
    Susan

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  125. today feels like we are the end of a very long siege

    ‘in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing’
    (Tolkien)

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