Power: WTH on Discipline and Other Issues at Mars Hill

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NOTE: I asked our friend, Wenatchee the Hatchet, to update us on one of last year’s scandals involving the discipline process at Mars Hill Church. You may recall that we used this situation as a basis for discussion last year, and then decided to leave further discussion to others who were better informed. (See “MPT Posts on Church Discipline — And I Suggest a Better Way,” “Thoughts on Church Discipline and Relational Wisdom,” and “Grace Means Saying, ‘I’m Sorry.'”

I also encourage you to check out his riff on Martha’s post on the abuse scandals in the Roman Catholic Church, in which he applies her observations that there were cultural factors contributing to the problems in Ireland and helps us see some of the cultural factors affecting Mars Hill and other Neo-Reformed bastions that provide context for their scandals.

Make sure you read this carefully. WTH has some extremely important things to say, not just about Mars Hill and their shortcomings, but also about the biases and failures of the Christian blogosphere and other Mars Hill critics. I thank him for his wise and balanced approach.

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In early 2012 Mars Hill Church in Seattle made headlines over the disciplinary procedures made in the case of former church member Andrew Lamb. Andrew’s story was shared by Matthew Paul Turner and told a story of a young man who was dating a pastor’s daughter, engaged in behavior he regretted, confessed the behavior to his girlfriend, and the confession catalyzed the gears of the Mars Hill disciplinary apparatus. Along the way Andrew confessed that he and the pastor’s daughter who was his girlfriend at the time were in a physical relationship. The disciplinary process Lamb underwent involved many meetings and a lot of correspondence to which we were not made privy but the culminating escalation letter posted to The City discussing Andrew’s departure from Mars Hill while under member discipline was posted by Matthew Paul Turner.

The subsequent controversy that erupted made enough news to get covered in Seattle by local newspaper The Stranger, by a number of bloggers, and by Slate. While there are many important details and subjects that can be discussed about Andrew Lamb’s case (such as that he finally identified himself to the public this year) the two most salient issues to discuss a year later can be summed up in two questions. How could we know whether or not Andrew’s story was plausible or true? Why did nearly everyone who was for or against Mars Hill already display no interest in addressing the veracity of Andrew’s story once Matthew Paul Turner put it on his blog?

Where the first question is concerned Andrew Lamb identified himself publicly earlier this year. More than sufficient information was available on the internet to identify the names of other parties involved on the basis of social and broadcast media content that was available even before Andrew became a subject of Mars Hill Church discipline. For those with the patience to read about that “A Confluence of Situations” is available to read at Wenatchee The Hatchet. The most basic details of Andrew’s story were very specific. He was a security volunteer at Ballard, was in love with and dating a pastor’s daughter there, and the daughter had a stepfather. This permitted the identification of at least four parties involved in Andrew’s case if a person could go through publicly available information provided by Mars Hill and associates over the last nine years.

The problem with doing that was that in early 2012 Mars Hill had embarked on a massive information purge that removed basic information about Mars Hill staff and families from all publicly viewable websites. Even information that had been available on The City for members may have been amended for all we do and don’t know. When Mars Hill PR said that they regretted that bloggers and journalists did not contact them to confirm the facts about Andrew’s case this was just that, public relations. Had Mars Hill not undertaken a massive information purge no one in the press would have needed to bother finding out whether or not Andrew’s story was reliable because they could have worked out which divorced-then-remarried pastor had a stepdaughter who could have been involved with Andrew. Mars Hill’s public response seemed insincere precisely because they presented themselves as beleagured by bloggers and journalists who didn’t want to find out the facts while the church was taking significnat measures to prevent basic details of Andrew’s story from being investigated.

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Enjoy It While You Can

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This year will mark the end of an era in baseball. The greatest reliever of all time, Mariano Rivera, announced the other day that 2013 will be his final season. I will make sure I’m watching whenever I can.

We wrote about Mo last year when he was injured. Now we’re looking forward to one last season of pitching perfection.

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From the NY Times:

For much of the past 18 years, the Yankees have relied on Mariano Rivera to pitch in the late innings with games on the line.

That certainty helped them become perennial contenders and secure five championships. But the Rivera era is coming to a close.

“It’s official now,” Rivera, 43, said Saturday. “After this year, I will be retired,”

The element of surprise had been dashed days before Rivera made the announcement with his wife, Clara, and two of their sons by his side at Steinbrenner Field in Tampa, Fla. His intentions were clear on Thursday when the Yankees scheduled the news conference, which was televised nationally and streamed online.

Rivera hinted at retirement in 2012, and he confirmed on Saturday that had he not been injured most of last season, he would not be pitching now. But Rivera tore the anterior cruciate ligament in his right knee on May 3 while shagging fly balls in batting practice and missed the rest of the season.

“I didn’t want to leave like that,” he said, adding, “I still have something left.”

Widely considered the greatest closer in baseball history, Rivera enters the season with 608 career saves, a major league record, and a 2.21 earned run average.

No pitcher has appeared in more postseason games than Rivera. He has a 0.70 E.R.A. over 96 career postseason games, helping the Yankees win five of the seven World Series they appeared in since Rivera made his debut in 1995. His 42 postseason saves are a record, and more than twice as many as the next pitcher on the list, Brad Lidge, who has 18.

Despite his personal achievements, Rivera emphasized that he would rather be remembered as a great teammate than as a great pitcher.

“That’s the legacy that I want to leave, that I was there for others,” Rivera said as all of his teammates, along with Yankees officials, looked on.

Rivera will retire having played for no other team and is almost certain to lead the class of 2018 into the Baseball Hall of Fame.

Mariano Rivera“The best thing that happened to me on the field was the Lord blessing me with this uniform,” he said.

The last career Yankee to be selected by the Baseball Writers’ Association of America to be enshrined in Cooperstown was Mickey Mantle in 1974. (Phil Rizzuto was selected by the veterans committee in 1994.)

The Yankees are an aging team with a growing list of concerns. They will start the season with three of their top offensive threats, Curtis Granderson, Mark Teixeira and Alex Rodriguez, on the disabled list.

The Yankees are hoping they can count on Rivera at the back end of their bullpen for one more season. Developing a new closer, or finding one elsewhere, will be near the top of the team’s to-do list.

But the bullpen remains a strength, and Rivera’s role in that bullpen hinges on his ability to recover from knee surgery last June. He was scheduled to appear in his first game of the spring on Saturday.

Saying he had a few bullets left, Rivera promised: ““I’m going to use them well this year,” Rivera said.

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moNote: Rivera pitched on Saturday for the first time since his injury last May. He set down the opposing hitters 1-2-3 with a pop out and two called third strikes.

Manager Joe Girardi said, “Two strikeouts, strikes. Pretty much what we’re used to seeing from Mo. It wasn’t anything different. It looked like he threw some good cutters, some good sinkers. He’s on track to be ready for Opening Day.”

Welcome back, Mo.

 

“I Am” and “I Practice” — An Important Distinction

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If we want to practice what some, including Michael Spencer, have called a “generous orthodoxy” – a commitment to the creedal Christian faith that recognizes “one holy catholic and apostolic Church” – then we must learn to speak about our own personal faith identities and commitments precisely.

Here is the way I have learned to respond when asked about “who I am” or “what I am” with regard to my spiritual and religious identity:

I am a Christian, and I practice my faith in the Lutheran tradition.

I find this helpful for a number of reasons.

First, it makes clear who I am at the root: I am a Christian. I am a member of the Christian family. My identity is bound up with the person and name of the Lord Jesus Christ. I believe in Jesus. I follow Jesus. Jesus’ story is the story into which I have entered. I have taken his name. I interpret and approach life through him.

Just like my surname represents not only my personal identity at this moment in space and time history, but also my family, my background, my heritage, my ancestors and a particular story woven throughout the history of humankind, so my identity as a “Christian” links me to all who have borne that name through the ages and to those who continue to bear that name around the world in various traditions. If you are a Christian, you are my sister or brother. Though we may be far removed on our family tree, we are nonetheless organically related.

When articulating my faith identity, this is the first and most fundamental thing I say.

Second, it makes clear that the particular tradition to which I belong is important but not the ultimate essence of who I am. It is my practice, the way I approach living out my identity. I practice my faith in the Lutheran tradition.

I won’t delineate this second point here today. Suffice it to say that my understanding of what it means to practice faith as a Lutheran is bound up with a commitment to the ecumenical creeds, particular forms of evangelical Catholicism in the western Church, the Protestant Reformation as specifically pursued by Martin Luther, his writings and the Lutheran confessions, and the development of an ecclesiastical tradition that has morphed over the centuries and which I now experience here in the United States as a member of a mainline Lutheran denomination. I concur with those who say that Lutheranism was not meant to be a separate denomination as much as a renewing movement within the church catholic. If I had my druthers, I would do away with the term “Lutheran” and opt for some designation like “Evangelical Catholic” to describe this particular branch of the Christian family tree.

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iMonk: And Some Doubted

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From a classic Michael Spencer post, March 2007

The Bible can be amazing.

We can say all the theologically correct things you can think of, but when the Bible surprises you, when it reaches across the centuries and touches you with a sentence or a phrase, there’s something very special that convinces you on a deeply human level that God speaks through this book because he knows you and your innermost struggles. Not just as it paints the portraits of Jesus or gives us the words of God, but when it speaks to my human experience so precisely you feel that God is speaking to you and you alone. God is saying “I know how it is. Don’t be ashamed. It will be OK.”

You see, doubt is a constant in my life. I’m not put together like a theological block of concrete. If you need a speaker to talk about his absolute and increasing certainties, I’m not your guy. If you need someone to give testimony to how all his doubts have vanished, knock on another door.

No, I wonder if God exists. I sometimes see the universe as an empty place. Oh, I frequently see it filled with the glory of God and singing his majesty with all its created energy. I’m often filled with the assurance of faith. But not all the time. Sometimes tragedy, emotion, age, disappointment, depression, dark moods….they visit me and I doubt. I wonder and question. This is my human experience. God gives me faith. My humanness still gives me doubt.

On her blog sidebar, Amy Welborn has this quote: “She could never be a saint, but she thought she could be a martyr if they killed her quick.” That’s my experience. I know a lot of feelings, but by the grace of God- and by that grace only- faith wins out. On some days, just barely.

This disqualifies me from ministry according to some in the blogosphere. In the theological weight rooms of the internet, it’s how much you can lift that makes you worth having as a minister of Jesus Christ. Being lifted, every moment, and some moments completely, is a story that gets little respect in some corners.

My experience with God’s people, however, is quite different. Whenever I share my doubts and fears, as well as my faith journey and experience, tears come to a lot of eyes. People wait to talk to me. They say “Thank you.” They recognize something they always thought you couldn’t admit without condemnation.

What does this have to do with the Bible, and those moments of personal encounter?

Sometime in the early 90′s, post seminary and post an awful lot of ministry, Bible teaching and reading, I was studying the Great Commission when a phrase came flying off the page at me.

“….but some doubted.”

***silence***

That phrase exploded like a bomb in the midst of my pretense and phoniness in ministry. It was such a window into the reality of my life that I never tire of pointing it out to anyone who struggles. What a gift! “…but some doubted.”

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Saturday Ramblings 3.9.13

RamblerI’m tired, iMonks. Very tired. Bone tired. Tired in every way tired. I’m too tired to come up with my usual sidesplitting, hilarious opening paragraph. I know this comes as a great disappointment to you, but I’m sure you will forgive me once we get to the end and you see the great bonus video I have in store for you this week. No, don’t skip ahead. If I can endure until then, so can you. All right. What say we ramble?

First of all, we would like to welcome a new sponsor to Internet Monk, EvangelicalBible. There is nothing like the feel of a leather Bible, especially if it is really, really good leather. EvangelicalBible is a “marketplace for the best crafted Bibles in the English language.” I bought an Allan ESV Bible from them and was very impressed with not only the high quality of the Bible, but with the high quality of service I received. So welcome our new sponsor by spending some time on their site.

We have advanced from the Sweet Sistine through the Elite Eight Emissaries to the Sacred Semifinals. Who will get your vote in this round?

Meanwhile, the real selection process for the next pope will begin on Tuesday. How long will it take to come up with a winner? Last time, in 2005, the whole process took only a day. All eyes—and CNN’s cameras—will be trained on the chimney in the Vatican. Until the white smoke emerges you still have time to get in your bets. Paddy Power has odds posted for various cardinals, as well as some, er, interesting lay choices. Check the odds on Richard Dawkins.

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Site Update: Thanks for your patience (or, “I don’t like Spam!”)

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It is likely that many of you have experienced delays seeing your comments appear in recent days when commenting on Internet Monk.

It seems we are going through one of the periodic spam onslaughts that affect us.

Please be assured, your comments are not being intentionally held. We do not generally practice active moderation of comments. If and when we do, you will always know it because we will state it in the post.

It appears that what is happening is that some comments get caught up with the large volume of spam in the spam filter. Those that appear possibly legitimate are put in the “pending” list and those that don’t go straight to the spam folder. The “pending” comments must be approved by an administrator before they appear publicly. I try to get to them as soon as I can, but there may be some delays as my employer does ask that I do at least a little work each day.

I have noticed that including links in your comment will make it more likely to be held, so you might want to avoid that, at least for the time being. Other than that, I see no rhyme or reason for why your particular comment might be held, and I assume it is simply because it came in at the same time a wave of spam hit.

Thanks for your patience. The site is handling spam well, but it does have its limits. “I don’t like Spam!”

Fr. Ernesto on Liturgy

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Thanks to our dear friend, Fr. Ernesto Obregon for contributing his insights on liturgy from the Orthodox perspective today.

I encourage you to read his blog, Orthocuban.

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Liturgy is not simply what we habitually do

It is common to speak of liturgy as though it is little more than what we habitually do, thus on a comment on another website, someone commented:

And: is liturgy the same as “form?” Would a Baptist church that still plays hymns and has a set format still be liturgical? I think the answer is yes.

But, when we—meaning Roman Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, Coptic Orthodox, etc–speak of Liturgy, that is not simply what we mean. We also do not simply mean that Liturgy is only the work of the people, as though by doing a linguistic analysis of ancient Greek we can ignore the later use of the word in its Hebrew context.

What do I mean by its Hebrew context? — after all it is GREEK! Well, let us look at a quote about the use of the word liturgy in its Greek/Hebrew context:

Liturgy (leitourgia) is a Greek composite word meaning originally a public duty, a service to the state undertaken by a citizen. Its elements are leitos (from leos = laos, people) meaning public, and ergo (obsolete in the present stem, used in future erxo, etc.), to do. From this we have leitourgos, “a man who performs a public duty”, “a public servant”, often used as equivalent to the Roman lictor; then leitourgeo, “to do such a duty”, leitourgema, its performance, and leitourgia, the public duty itself.

At Athens the leitourgia was the public service performed by the wealthier citizens at their own expense, such as the office of gymnasiarch, who superintended the gymnasium, that of choregus, who paid the singers of a chorus in the theatre, that of the hestiator, who gave a banquet to his tribe, of the trierarchus, who provided a warship for the state. The meaning of the word liturgy is then extended to cover any general service of a public kind. In the Septuagint it (and the verb leitourgeo) is used for the public service of the temple (e.g., Exodus 38:27; 39:12, etc.). Thence it comes to have a religious sense as the function of the priests, the ritual service of the temple (e.g., Joel 1:9, 2:17, etc.). In the New Testament this religious meaning has become definitely established. In Luke 1:23, Zachary goes home when “the days of his liturgy” (ai hemerai tes leitourgias autou) are over. In Hebrews 8:6, the high priest of the New Law “has obtained a better liturgy”, that is a better kind of public religious service than that of the Temple.

So in Christian use liturgy meant the public official service of the Church, that corresponded to the official service of the Temple in the Old Law.

Let me note several points.

First, it is common in various circles to speak of liturgy as the “work of the people.” However, note that the classical Greek usage was not of the work of the people, but the contributions of those who were well-off who supported public works. Note that though one could argue from its component parts that leitourgia meant the “work of the people,” the actual usage of the word in classical Greek was not that of the “work of the people,” but the work of some, and the compound words derived from that spoke not of the public, but actually of a personal duty rendered on behalf of or for the public, in the form of the State.

This points out the problem of using merely linguistic etymology to decide the meaning of words. It can be every bit as misleading as saying that the word “handsome” means that it fits well in the hand. That was its original meaning, after all. But to try to claim that a handsome man fits well in the hand (yes I can hear the horrible puns coming) is as ludicrous as claiming that somehow the Church of the New Testament understood the word liturgy as meaning merely the “work of the people.”

Second, whatever the meaning of the word “liturgy” in classical Greek, it is irrelevant. When a word crosses over from one culture into another culture, the important point is how the receiving culture views that word, not how the contributing culture used to view it. This is where many make a serious mistake; this is where Strong’s concordance has some serious limits; this is where philological studies can lead people very much astray.

The word liturgy crossed over from Greek culture to Hebrew culture, and then the Hebrew understanding of the word crossed back into Church culture — whether Middle Eastern, Greek, or Roman. So, what was the Hebrew understanding of the Greek word, “liturgy”? The place to look is the Septuagint, the translation of the Hebrew Scriptures into Greek. You see, when a translation is done, the translators choose the words in the guest language that they think best represent the concept in the original language. Thus the important definition is NOT the definition in the guest language or even the philological definition. The only relevant definition is the definition in the original language, and the concept of why the translators used the word in the guest language to translate the concept from the original language.

It is in not understanding that the only relevant definition is the definition in the original language that so many make a mistake. So, what is the relevant definition of leitourgia in the Hebrew culture of the Septuagint? And, what does that tell us about the Church’s concept of the word liturgy?
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Opening a Can of Worms: What are the Reformation’s Gains and Losses?

can_of_worms_aheadYou see by the question mark in the title that I come not opining, but asking because I truly want to know. I’ve shared in a recent essay of my background in various churches that came, not due to purposeful hopping, but rather because I was the child of a broken home and depending on others to deliver me where they would. As a result, I got delivered several different places, both Protestant and Catholic. I was an equal opportunity spiritual seeker and I still am. I find beautiful and truthful expressions of Christian experience in a wide range of writers. Lately, Protestant that I am (though I can’t think of anything I’m really protesting), I have been reading Catholic writers almost exclusively.

To my way of thinking we revere … we worship … we love in common the most holy and perfect expression of God, our Savior Jesus Christ. He is grace to us and, at the same time, mystifying truth. C.S. Lewis likened this tie that binds to dining together at a banquet in a great hall. For our more intimate gatherings we like to adjourn to private little rooms off the great hall … rooms named after our denominational preferences, particular theological schools of thought or for which side of the Reformation we have taken. Some don’t see it this way. Some see these differences as deciding factors in salvation. I recognize this thinking, though it isn’t exactly what I want to talk about today unless you sincerely believe the question I am about to ask has for its answer the issue of salvation at its core.

Martin Luther sparked the Reformation when he nailed his 95 Theses on the door of All Saints’ Church in Wittenberg, Germany in 1517. Born into a Catholic household and baptized the day after his birth, Luther seemed a Catholic of Catholics just as the Apostle Paul was a Hebrew of Hebrews (Philippians 3:5). He could claim a Catholic childhood as well as a purposeful pressing into Catholicism that led him as an adult higher up and farther in than most. He was dedicated first to Augustinian monastic life, then ordained into the priesthood and finally obtained a Doctor of Theology award from University of Wittenberg where he also spent the rest of his career as Doctor in Bible. So when he nailed those 95 Theses on the door, he was likely looking for small-r reformation rather than plotting the big-R Reformation that would divide the Church and change history.

Conviction that certain practices were leading the Church far afield drove Luther to broach subjects and ask questions that he hoped might restore sight of the central truths of Christianity, namely that righteousness cannot be bought with money or earned by works. Luther contended that righteousness is acquired as a free gift from God only through faith in Jesus Christ. Other points of contention included his assertion that the Holy Spirit guides believers into truth, that popes do not have the sole right to interpret Scripture and are not infallible. He further espoused that believers are priests one to another in the ministering of their various spiritual gifts and in the practice of Christian life and love.

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Radical Enough? (part one)

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Note: You may want to read the Christianity Today article, “Here Come the Radicals!” by Matthew Lee Anderson in conjunction with Dan’s post.

Thanks to Dan for sharing these perspectives with us. Check out his blog at Sliced Soup.

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A dozen or so years ago, I took my youth group to an event called, Acquire the Fire.  For those unfamiliar with ATF, think of it as Promise Keepers on steroids.  14,000 teenagers jammed into Michigan State’s basketball arena for a weekend of music, videos, drama, and, especially, preaching; all of it had one theme: You are not radical enough in your devotion to God.

At the next church service, the teens gave testimonies of what spiritual impact the weekend had.  Andy, one of the student leaders summed up the challenge to the youth group and the church as a whole with this warning: “Listen, if you don’t want to be completely sold out and filled with the Spirit…run!”  It was a shot across the bow, letting everyone know that lukewarm Christianity would no longer be tolerated.

Andy has grown into a fine young father, wise beyond his years, and I am sure he looks back on the episode with a wince and a wink.  For no-one ran, but neither did most change in the long run.  That weekend (and more like it) served to up the ante of what it means to be a Christian, but only a few students actually changed their behavior for more than a month or two.

I thought of that event (and Andy’s bold warning) today as a read an article on the glut of new books aimed at making Christians more radical in their commitment to Christ.  The article is the cover story of the March issue of Christianity Today, and is titled, “Here Come the Radicals”.  Matthew Lee Anderson surveys the books which have come out and offers a rather nuanced critique.  I have broken up my comments into three posts. This one, the first, will basically be a summary and analysis of Anderson’s article. The second and third will deal with my own critique (for what it’s worth) of the new call to radicalism.

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The Simple Texts

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Yesterday I officiated a funeral. When I met with the wife of the deceased a few days ago to discuss the service, she told me that her husband insisted that Psalm 23 be read at his funeral. When his mother had died, the minister leading the service apparently did not read it — whether out of simple choice or disregard of the family’s wishes I don’t know — and he never forgot that. It was the one Scripture he was expecting, hoping to hear for comfort that day. And so he wanted to make sure that his dear wife and family didn’t have the same disappointing experience. He demanded inclusion of the 23rd Psalm.

The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want.
He maketh me to lie down in green pastures:
he leadeth me beside the still waters.
He restoreth my soul:
he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name’s sake.
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil:
for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies:
thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.
Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life:
and I will dwell in the house of the Lord for ever.

sheep-with-shepherdSo I told her I would most certainly read it, and in fact, would design the entire service around it. And I did. In my opening greeting, I read Jesus’ words from John 10 about the Good Shepherd. I based my message of comfort to the family on a simple exposition of Psalm 23. For the prayer of commendation, I used the following petition:

Into your hands, O merciful Savior, we commend your servant, _________. Acknowledge, we humbly beseech you, a sheep of your own fold, a lamb of your own flock, a sinner of your own redeeming. Receive him into the arms of your mercy, into the blessed rest of everlasting peace, and into the glorious company of the saints in light. Amen.

At the graveside, I reminded those gathered of the following: (1) Throughout the Bible, God has promised to be our Shepherd; (2) David said, “The Lord IS my shepherd” — present tense and available to each of us right now; (3) Jacob looked back over his life and said, “God has been my shepherd all my days” — he will be with us in every season and circumstance of life; and (4) Even after death, in God’s presence we will still have a divine Shepherd, for Revelation 7:17 says, “the Lamb in the center of the throne will be [our] shepherd, and will guide [us] to springs of the water of life; and God will wipe every tear from [our] eyes.”

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