Real Differences Between Evangelicals and Catholics

(100% true)

I pass the Inspirational Channel and Morris Cerulo saying that he has 1100 Prophecy Bibles only for his partners who will sow $240 into his ministry.

Next channel is EWTN. Fr. Mitch Pascwa is speaking and says that all of us must saturate ourselves in St. Paul’s epistles this year. Every Catholic should read them all.

UPDATE: Now that we’ve all had a chance to vent….:-)…a few thoughts.Continue reading “Real Differences Between Evangelicals and Catholics”

One Message the Mountain Preachers Get Right

I’m very fortunate to live in one of the poorest areas of the country. It’s unlikely that there will be much panic here in southeastern Kentucky if we have a depression.

Adult unemployment in our area has been over 50% for the entire 16 years we’ve lived here. Large numbers of my neighbors receive various kinds of government assistance with food, utilities and medical care. Most of us are driving cars that are well past ten years old and a 150,000 miles. We don’t have too many people depending on a stock portfolio in order to fund their house at the lake.

In some ways, my corner of southeastern Kentucky has been in an economic depression since the 1930’s, if not earlier. When we drive to the suburbs of Lexington or the prosperous outskirts of Cincinnati and Northern Kentucky, it’s another world. I’m uncomfortable. Our world hasn’t seen economic prosperity in the memories of several generations.Continue reading “One Message the Mountain Preachers Get Right”

Is It A Sin To Be A Stay At Home Dad?

One gets the impression that, in some churches, a stay at home dad runs the risk of being taken out in the back yard and “dealt with” by “the dudes.”

Since the issue came up here at IM, I thought I’d send along some of what others have to say.

In this video, Grace and Mark Driscoll speak to the issue of Stay At Home Dads. They’re unanimously not in favor.

Jared Wilson writes a two-part exegetical/practical look at the issue: Is It A Sin To Be A Stay At Home Dad?

Jared has been one of those SAHDs for quite a while. He’s also a pastor/church planter/author/blogger and honorary member of the BHT.

Here’s part 1 and part 2.

Make up your own mind. I’m not here to tell you what to think. For my money, believing the Bible is laying down that level of prohibitions on family options goes right past me. And if a church sees it as a matter of church discipline if a guy and his Dr. wife decide he’s going to stay at home? Huh? Income generation according to gender? Todd Palin…..call for you on line 3.

Once Upon A Time, An Arminian Put An ESV Study Bible Post On His Blog….

…and the resulting train wreck is there for you to read in the comments thread. Arminian Today Blog placed the ESV Study Bible video on their site and gave a plug for the Bible. Sounds safe…right?

What follows is a study in why I’m not a Calvinist anymore, and it should be funny…but it’s hard to laugh after a while. These are real people. Their mother must be so proud.

You can call it “cage phase” or “personality disorder,” but there’s something at work here that you see in a lot of theology loving believers. It’s called “totally missing the point of human conversation.”

And just in case, Charles, I won’t be posting your comments here 🙂

Lamentation, Nostalgia and Walking Into The Future: Thoughts on Denominational Decline

I’m doing an interview in a few days and will be asked some questions about how I view the past and future of my own denomination. Some of these thoughts came to mind as I prepared.

Psalm 77

I cry aloud to God,
    aloud to God, that he may hear me.
In the day of my trouble I seek the Lord;
    in the night my hand is stretched out without wearying;
    my soul refuses to be comforted.
I think of God, and I moan;
    I meditate, and my spirit faints.

You keep my eyelids from closing;
    I am so troubled that I cannot speak.
I consider the days of old,
    and remember the years of long ago.
I commune with my heart in the night;
    I meditate and search my spirit:
“Will the Lord spurn forever,
    and never again be favorable?
Has his steadfast love ceased forever?
    Are his promises at an end for all time?
Has God forgotten to be gracious?
    Has he in anger shut up his compassion?”
10 And I say, “It is my grief
    that the right hand of the Most High has changed.”

11 I will call to mind the deeds of the Lord;
    I will remember your wonders of old.
12 I will meditate on all your work,
    and muse on your mighty deeds.
13 Your way, O God, is holy.
    What god is so great as our God?
14 You are the God who works wonders;
    you have displayed your might among the peoples.
15 With your strong arm you redeemed your people,
    the descendants of Jacob and Joseph.

 

One of my favorite things to do as an English teacher is to teach the stories of Flannery O’Connor. O’Connor has many lessons from her work, but I am continually impressed by what she has to say about the dangers of nostalgia.

O’Connor’s stories are populated by characters caught in the disease of blinding nostalgia. They talk about days when people were good and everyone was happy. Of course, these characters become brutal examples of what happens when our view of the present and past is contaminated by the mythology that blinds us to truth and exempts us from responsibility.

Southern writers have large resources of nostalgia to draw upon. The history of the south is dominated by the theme of a past golden age of southern culture, ruined by the war of northern aggression and the resulting forced assimilation of the south into the generic culture of America.

Southern nostalgia is the grist for entire industries. Southern culture, real and imagined, provides its particular contribution to our national character.

But O’Connor pointed out that nostalgia was more than a harmless looking back to plantations and southern cooking. It was a particular kind of poison that blinds us to racism, poverty, ignorance, bias and the dangers of living in a state of illusory superiority. It can send those who live in it down the roads that keep them in prisons of the mind and heart.

American culture has an increasing appetite for nostalgia. We have the sense that our best days may have passed us; that our future may be more technologically sophisticated, but our lives, morals, relationships, families, institutions and souls are increasingly impoverished.

So we find it alluring to look back. To remember past victories, past championships, better families, simpler economies, more virtuous children and more disciplined schools. “Glory Days” is an appealing song for us. We find waxing nostalgic a useful way to spend time even when we sit in the midst of serious present challenges.

O’Connor would say “Be careful.” That road to the nostalgic past may be a wrong turn, with terrible dangers of its own.

The Bible tells us to look back and remember the deeds of the Lord. Redemption is a story that cuts through the past, runs through the present and into the future. Scripture tells us to look back and remember God’s great works in the days of our fathers and mothers.

For Christians, this is an appealing invitation. We are generally far more inclined to construct our own version of the past than we are to honestly engage the present. The culture war, for example, thrives on looking back to a mythical, idealized past that has conveniently forgotten much that we ought to be ashamed of.

The agendas and rhetoric of denominations often look back to the days of post-war denominational prosperity as the days when “God was blessing”. Churches were full. Cultural Christianity, in the south and elsewhere, was pervasive. it was easy to be Protestant, and the winds of culture were with you.

Whatever evangelicals and denominational churches did in those golden eras, it seems to have worked, especially in our recollection. The women were beautiful, the men were handsome, the children were above average and the church knew what it was doing. Our past is the era of cultural dominance in America, and we long for it.

Today, denominations are shrinking and some are on the verge of vanishing, from the free falling PCUSA to the disintegrating ECUSA to the mid-life crisis SBC. Blame is plentiful. Desperation is in the air. Nostalgia sells and plenty of folk are buying. The way we used to be was better than the way we are, and we need to come up with a list of people to blame.

I’m looking at a letter from an SBC friend who has experienced significant difficulty in his church because he’s suspected of being a Calvinist. The thing is, he’s not a Calvinist. He’s a Southern Baptist who actually believes and preaches like the Kingdom of God is larger than his denomination. But the idea that Calvinism is to blame for the downward turn of baptisms in the SBC is easy and appealing in times of nostalgia and anxiety.

Everything was going well, and then someone messed things up. The liberals. The gays. The Democrats. The Calvinists. The Emerging Church.

Psalm 77 is a lament, and we live in lamentable times. Much has gone wrong and I have my doubts that some of it will ever go right as it did in the past. In times of lament, the answers to our questions seem lost in the fog. We can ask with the psalmist, “Is God hiding his answers from us? Has he forgotten his promises?”

The answer of scripture is to remember the story of redemption and to find our place in it. We remember the great deeds of the Lord, not how many people were here on Sundays back in the 50’s or the 70’s. We remember God’s actions of salvation for all of his people and for the whole world. We aren’t called to look back to when everyone was “churched” and no one ever said a bad word on television.

Nostalgia isn’t the remembrance that we’re called to in Psalm 77. In our times of questioning and even desperation, we must keep our eyes on the author and finisher of our faith, not on the way things used to be when a good man wasn’t hard to find because the world was filled with good country people.

The scriptures spend so much time lamenting, it makes me wonder if there is any hope for us if we don’t learn HOW to lament; how to mourn our decline and cultural exile in the presence of the Lord, rather than by becoming a wholly own subsidiary of whoever is fighting the culture war or crack addicts on the drug of blaming one another, throwing out pastors and blaming “Calvinists” and “Missionals.”

Lamentation is the proper stance for many of us in my denomination and in many denominations. I don’t want the cocksure arrogance of so many younger Christians. I want to take note of our past, but instead of turning it into mythology, I want to lament its meanings, both good and not good.

As fellow pilgrims, we should help one another remember rightly, and remember Biblically. We should turn our backs on the poison of nostalgia and look instead for the breakthrough of the Kingdom of Jesus in the places filled with the last, least, lost and little.

We should learn to lament, and in lamentation, to call out the questions without offering cheap and easy answers. We need to stop trying to manufacture evangelicalism out of rhetoric, and offer our prayers, tears, anger and confusion to God. Then we can, as so many have before us, follow a path into the future with the people of God, and we can stop trying to drag the corpse of our evangelical and denominational nostalgia around with us.

To lament and to remember should mean that we find a way to be free, and to walk into the future unburdened.

Preachers as Comedians: An Open Thread Discussion.

NOTE: I’ve had comment moderation off for most of the last 24 hours. Good job everyone. It’s now back on. Perhaps, by taking it on and off randomly, I can get the desired quality of posts without as much time investment on my part.

I just received yet another clip of someone’s pastor basically preaching as a comedian. Major points are made with comedy. Application, introduction….all full of comedy. Delivery….the whole package looks pretty much like Jeff Foxworthy or Brian Regan.

Desired audience reaction? Exactly. People love it.

So what do you think: Has the influence of stand up comedy on contemporary preaching been good, bad or mixed?

Does the viewpoint of the comedian have something preaching has needed all along, like Shakespeare’s use of “The Fool” to make deadly serious points, or is this evidence that Macarthur and company are right- preaching today is a joke? Literally.

It’s Open Mic Night here at IM. Support your answer with some kind of intelligible reasoning.

The Internet Monk Musical Has Been Canceled

It’s always sad to lose regular commenters, but the last post seems to have cost me a couple. Can’t say that I’m surprised.

If you read Internet Monk regularly, you probably have those days you want to tell me to get over it, to shut up already, to take a happy pill, to find something constructive to say or similar sentiments.

Just in case you think I’ve totally lost sight of reality, I’m very aware of the many good things going on in evangelicalism, particularly in individual local churches and ministries that are determined to make the most of a new post-evangelical day. I’m on their side, even when we don’t entirely agree. That’s why I’m in Driscoll’s corner, even when I would probably be beaten up by his “dudes” for about half of what I believe. I’m still in there with many of the emergent/missional brethren. I’m cheering for them.Continue reading “The Internet Monk Musical Has Been Canceled”

One Stock That Needs To Drop

If you are one of those people who monitor this blog for material to get me in trouble, go get a legal pad and two good pens.

Back in the Golden Age of this blog, I wrote quite a bit about my own Christian experience. Those “confessional” pieces made at least half of this blog’s reputation and most of its good friends.

Reality ensued, and about fifty posts disappeared permanently, with another 20 going into retirement. I broke the news that the authentic voice of Michael Spencer- broken, questioning, wondering, doubting, ranting- was going to have to be substantially muted.

I’ve not been happy with this turn of events, particularly on weekends like the one just completed. My mind and heart are full of things worth saying to those of you who come back here looking to know you’re not alone. But I’ll have to disappoint, at least for now.

But not entirely.Continue reading “One Stock That Needs To Drop”

iMonk 101: The Problem With Real Christians

Going back to December of 2007, here’s a post that begins with some provocative words from C.S. Lewis and then continues into a discussion of what’s happening when we claim to be Christians, or “real” Christians and all of that.

The Problem With Real Christians.

At the heart of so much that we say and do is the assumption that we are what the Bible describes when it talks about a person who is united to Jesus Christ. But when I examine the Bible closely and my life honestly, I have to admit that I need to be more humble about what I’m claiming.

This may be one thing that the world is right about: we are very confident that we’re Christians, and perhaps we should be more confident that we’d like to be.

READ: The Problem With Real Christians.