The Theology Program’s Online Classes Begin August 26th

The Theology Program’s online classes are starting up later this month. The materials are amazing and you won’t find an experience this theologically enriching in most seminaries. I highly recommend The Theology Program to IM’s readers and friends.

Michael Patton has the full schedule of classes available here.

Do Baptists Believe “Once Saved, Always Saved?”

I had a conversation with a former Baptist the other day, and up came the assertion that “Baptists believe in “once saved, always saved.”

I said that Baptists believe in perseverance of the saints, but no Baptist confession uses the phrase “once saved, always saved,” or anything close. No Baptist confession is unaware that there are “mere professors” among those who are elect and will persevere.

“Once saved, always saved” usually isn’t applied to God’s purpose in salvation, but to the misuse of evangelistic methods, meaning “once you walk an aisle one time, you’ll automatically go to heaven, no matter if you believe the Gospel in the future or not.” Very few Baptists believe that.

Let’s be clear: if you don’t believe the Gospel, you aren’t a Christian. If you go through a time of serious waywardness, that’s something we see in the lives of saints such as David.

Do a lot of Baptists describe THEIR belief as “once saved, always saved?” Sure. But is it a Baptist belief? I’m pretty sure my Catholic friends don’t want to say that everything believed by every Catholic is a “Catholic belief.” They’ll hand you a catechism.

So I’m handing you three confessional statements. If a Baptist church has a confession, it will almost always be one of these three.

Decide for yourself.Continue reading “Do Baptists Believe “Once Saved, Always Saved?””

The Suburban Jesus Hates Me

I’ve got a descrition of the Jesus Shaped Church over at Jesus Shaped Spirituality.

UPDATE: This post is starting to upset people, which is predictable. Add comments at your own risk because I’m surly.

I’m trying to not write when I am mad, because I always wind up getting in trouble with somebody, deleting the post and so on, but I don’t think I’m going to calm down about this in the near future, so it’s time to type.

For starters, I am just amazed at why anyone would want to be involved with Jesus unless you were convinced that what Jesus said, Jesus taught and Jesus did was the truth. I cannot understand why someone wants to be involved with Jesus if they don’t either intend to believe and emulate Jesus or at least encourage, assist and applaud those who do. Taking the Christian label and then acting like Jesus was someone from whom we should never take advice or example is incomprehensible.

Now I’m not talking about who to vote for in November. I’m basically talking about the fact that if a person follows Jesus at all there is going to be some sacrifice involved. Economic sacrifice. Sacrifice of security. Sacrifice of certainty. If someone wants Jesus without the call to discipleship that means they either a) give up making a lot of money or b) give away your money? Fine, but that’s another Jesus.Continue reading “The Suburban Jesus Hates Me”

Riffs: “Centralizing” with C. Michael Patton and “8 Connections” with Joe Thorn

Don’t forget to check out the five-part series “Where is Jesus?” at Jesus Shaped Spirituality.

Actually, not much time to “riff” on these outstanding links (I’m off on a two day mission for our ministry,) but I want to get these good guys some of that massive IM audience love.

C. Michael Patton does that post-evangelical thing under the label of “Minimizing” Christianity to the Glory of God. Those of you who read Michael regularly at Parchment and Pen know that he has a gift for the chart and the multiple choice answer, and I appreciate that ability, even though at times it may slice things a bit simpler than they are in reality.

(BTW- if you appreciate Michael’s ability to organize material and make it interesting, then you need to check out the materials in The Theology Program, Michael’s “lay seminary” that I’ve recommended many times before.)Continue reading “Riffs: “Centralizing” with C. Michael Patton and “8 Connections” with Joe Thorn”

Riffs: 08:03:08: Heather King’s Catholicism

Christian and Roman Catholic convert Heather King got a major write-up at Amy Welborn’s blog. Amy says Heather’s memoir Redeemed is a must read, so I’d say that settles it.

But in the comments of that post I found this quote from an interview with Heather King. That sound you are about to hear is the current crop of cross-avoiding, Osteen-esque evangelicals clearing their throats and slinking down in their seats like the sniveling Gospel-avoiders they are.

Tod asks: And I’m interested to know why the Catholic faith was your path in particular? Why not, for example, a Protestant sect, or Buddhism, or even Islam? What was it about Catholicism that called out to you particularly?

Heather: I can say that when I began my quest I didn’t shop around for a church where I felt “comfortable” or where the people necessarily looked or dressed like me, or where I was going to hear things that were safe or familiar or politically correct. I was seeking the truth. I was looking for a church that would tell me the truth. I was concerned about the state of my soul, which I believed to be a matter of life and death. Catholicism was the only church that addressed that, as a matter of life and death: addressed it directly, continually, truthfully, without stinting or flinching. The cross in a Catholic church has a body on it. Right up front, right above the altar, is the message that subconsciously haunts us: someday, we’re going to die. Right up front, loud and clear, is the human condition: suffering, torment, conflict. As I say in Redeemed, the first time I went to Mass and really “saw” that body on the crucifix, I realized Christ isn’t saying that we need to suffer more; he’s acknowledging the suffering we’re already in. And I suppose on some level in that moment I “got” as much as I ever will, or as it’s possible to “get”—which is that God loves us so much he incarnated himself as man, he came down and pitched his tent among us to teach us how to come awake, to accompany us on the journey, to show what it looks like and what happens to you when you live in total integrity. Eventually, one way or another, they’ll kill you—which is why hardly anyone ever dares to live in total integrity.

Now go and read the entire interview, because it’s a monstrous piece of whup-up on whiney, milque-toast Christianity of every variety and as fine a Christian AND Catholic apologetic as I’ve ever read.Continue reading “Riffs: 08:03:08: Heather King’s Catholicism”

Sermon: “Where is Jesus?” A Baptist Church 8/03/08

Preached this morning at a Baptist Church. During the scripture reading time earlier in the service, I read several sections of Ephesians 1-4, so don’t mark me down too hard for not reading those verses during the sermon.

Full house today, maybe 170. Very cool. I was surprised how exhausted I was. I haven’t really “preached” in almost 3 months with the exceptions of the Cornerstone seminars where Jason Blair failed to get saved.

iMonk 101: A God Shaped Void? Maybe Not

This piece from two summers ago- A God Shaped Void? Maybe Not– explores some important questions about evangelism, our assumptions about those we are evangelizing, and especially our dialogue with atheists and young people.

It’s the kind of rethinking of evangelicalism I like to do, and it will challenge you, especially if you were raised in the church with all kinds of assumptions about those outside of it.

Is there really a God-shaped void as Augustine described? What if we listened to what atheists said about themselves? Could we still evangelize, or must they buy our assumptions first?

If you live and work around serious unbelievers, this will be a crucial essay for you.

READ: A God Shaped Void? Maybe Not.

iMonk 101: Denise Spencer’s Thoughts On A Daughter Leaving for College

Last night, the Spencer family ate Mexican in celebration of my daughter’s graduation from Ohio State University. It was a happy occasion in life’s journey. Long-time readers of this site may remember some of the key moments in this journey and the parallel journey of our son, who is still in school.

Perhaps one of the best things that ever appeared here at IM is my wife’s wonderful essay “Hannah Had it Wrong (But just barely).” Denise reflected on the feelings of a mom as her first child leaves home. It’s flat out incredible writing.

If you are a new parent or planning to be in the near future, you need to read this essay. Denise is a world-class parent, and this essay has the advice she gives to all parents of young children everywhere.

Denise Day Spencer is a publications editor living and working in southeastern Kentucky. She’s the mother of Noel, 23 and Clay, 20.

Read: “Hannah Had it Wrong (But just barely).”